Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by Crazyewok, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. theblitz

    theblitz Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    They tried adding alien technology to Voyager in the episode "Prime Factors".

    The results were NOT good - to say the least.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You gotta wonder if the data base they got in exchange for that incompatible bauble destroyed their world with the rise and fall of fancultures that went to war.
     
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  3. Stoo

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    A patchwork look gives a better impression of being forced to make do and improvise to survive. Voyager shouldn't have been operating like other trek shows, there should have been a more clear distinction between her situation and Enterprise D on an exploration cruise.

    Can't comment on Farscape, never watched it.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    You heard of heroin?

    Try Farscape instead.

    Less needles.
     
  5. Anwar

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    But if they couldn't make new allies and figure out how to repair the ship in strange circumstances, they'd look like idiots compared to TOS and TNG. Yes, I can see some patchwork stuff done maybe on the inside but the whole ship becoming some ugly mish-mash is too far and would make them too incompetent.
     
  6. dodge

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    The difference is:

    Voyager being broken down all alone far from Federation having to scrape by is potential for interesting stories that was never utilized on the show.

    DS9 being broken down storyline wouldn't make sense, because why would the Federation and Bajorans let the strategically extremely important station fall into disrepair in the first place.

    One is ignoring your stories entire premise, the other is just glossing over Sisko making a phone call asking for additional repair crews and materials.
     
  7. Stoo

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    They'd look like people having a harder time surviving and keeping the ship running, compared to TOS and TNG. Which is kind of meant to be the point of the show.

    If you're focussing too much on how good the engineers look you're missing the point. The more important question is, what potential did Voyager have for new storytelling, and doing something different to preceeding shows?
     
  8. Anwar

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    Because they're at war, and during major wars supplies become harder to come by and showing that the Station would take lasting damage and their resident warship wasn't always up to snuff would show the effect of a major war on the place.

    As compared to VOY, who was not at war with anyone and was surrounded by non-hostiles who'd be willing to help.

    TOS and TNG had the same thing happen to them that happened to VOY, except they got home faster.

    They shot themselves in the foot with VOY's premise because said premise excludes them from every finding help or having any support or being able to do any repairs ever. The ship wouldn't have lasted half a season if they really stuck to that.

    And if they DO make allies and manage to repair the ship, then the audience does nothing but complain that they were able to do so instead of falling to pieces.

    You just can't win.
     
  9. MacLeod

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    Aside from a couple of episodes DSN wasn't on the frontline, it might have been close to it, but it really didn't take the same pounding week in week out that VOY did.
     
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  11. Guy Gardener

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    In season 6, B'Elanna said to the Captain "Hey lady!? I want to rotate the tires, so we might as well land and really get a look under the hood."

    There was some nice CGI of removed hull plating as engineers were tinkering with the engine after Voyager had landed.
     
  12. Anwar

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    It was a major staging point for a War and more or less a Major Sector HQ point. It would've made more sense for the place to come under attack more often and be more damaged.

    If holding true to its' war story, then the Station should've been taking more of a beating than VOY (which really didn't take a beating most of the time).

    Do that, and folks are just PO'ed they didn't see a 2-parter dedicated to the repairs and only the repairs.

    You just can't win.
     
  13. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    They could have done a lot with a "Landing to take repairs" story.

    Hey we've landed on this deserted planet and deconstructed the engines. WHOOPS not so deserted after all. There are raiders who try to loot the ship and end up in a hostage situation, or swamp monsters, or energy creatures who don't like trespassers, or a whole cloaked settlement or primitives, or whatever.

    They could have done an episode where it was literally, either share your stuff or you're dead in the water, and they had to make actual hard choices about Starfleet ethics. They never did because they wanted the crew to stay pure and lovable.
     
  14. Captain Clark Terrell

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    I thought "Scorpion" did that to some extent. Granted, Janeway made the choice to approach the Borg about using their nanoprobes against Species 8472, but Voyager would have been in a tough spot had they tried to cross the Northwest Passage on their own.

    I actually agreed with Chakotay's argument and thought Janeway was out of line for second-guessing the decisions he made while in command of the ship. Whatever she may have thought about his actions, he had the make the decision that he thought was best, not what he thought she would have wanted him to do.

    --Sran
     
  15. Anwar

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    They did that with "Basics".

    And what's wrong with that? It worked with all the other series, even DS9 presented Sisko's morally gray decisions as ultimately being good ones.
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    They shared every thing in The Void. Built a community. Even kicked an ass out of their collective who wouldn't stick to the Federations moral code, despite him having the coolest toys.
     
  17. Anwar

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    Yes, they did what folks expected them to do with the premise.

    And what positive response did they get from the audience? Zero.

    Honestly, you just can't win.
     
  18. DonIago

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    I thought "The Void" had been received relatively favorably...
     
  19. Anwar

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    Folks can say NOW what they liked about the show, but it doesn't match up with their reactions back when anything aired.

    Hell, even "Living Witness" was seen only for its flaws and not its strengths.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    But every one from the past is more stupid and ignorant than we here in the future are.

    Even us compared to our past selves.

    This is why insider trading is illegal, because it's kinda like time travel.
     
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