Best and worst bottle shows

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by The Overlord, Feb 16, 2013.

  1. Tiberius

    Tiberius Commodore Commodore

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    Maybe not, but given that the new set was little more than a bunch of greens on a soundstage, it's not like it would have cost much.
     
  2. Maurice

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    Bottle show means standing sets. TNG's Planet Hell was a standing set they redressed as needed.
     
  3. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think with STAR TREK, we can slightly liberalize that to include shows with one extra indoor set that was thrown together fast and simple. "The Mark of Gideon" with it's tiny council chamber, and "Is There in Truth No Beauty" with it's Arboritum, still qualify as I see it. These were low budget episodes.
     
  4. CoveTom

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    I would suggest "The Drumhead" as perhaps one of the best bottle shows across all the series. And although I don't think it fits in the same category as that, I'd cite "Where Silence Has Lease" as one that's always been a favorite of mine. And, man, that's a true bottle show. Only one guest star, and the only scenes off the Enterprise on an identical sister ship!

    And I agree with categorizing "Shades of Grey" as a bottle show, and with its label as the worst.
     
  5. Loskene

    Loskene Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Best = In the Pale Moonlight.
     
  6. JiNX-01

    JiNX-01 Admiral Admiral

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    TOS:

    Like:
    Mirror, Mirror
    The Ultimate Computer

    Dislike:
    Charlie X
    Turnabout Intruder
    The Way to Eden

    TNG:

    Like:
    The Measure of a Man
    Deja Q
    The Offspring
    The Drumhead
    Cause and Effect
    Ship in A Bottle ;)

    Dislike:
    The Naked Now
    The Child
    Imaginary Friend


    DS9: I haven't seen DS9 since
    the finale so I won't have
    many entries on this one.

    Like
    Duet
    The Visitor
    Our Man Bashir

    Dislike
    Q-Less
    His Way

    VOY:

    Like
    Death Wish
    Worst Case Scenario
    Latent Image
    Bride of Chaotica
    Real Life

    Dislike
    Tuvix
    Once Upon a Time
    Bliss
    One


    ENT:

    Like
    Shuttlepod One
    Silent Enemy
    Vox Sola
    Fallen Hero
    Minefield
    Singularity
    The Catwalk
    Cogenitor
    Similitude

    Disllike
    Doctor's Orders
    Stratagem
     
  7. Lance

    Lance Commodore Commodore

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    Totally agreed. :bolian: I think the reason bottle shows are awesome is precisely because they do have limits imposed on them: there's something about being told "you can only use the regular standing sets, and don't go employing too many guest stars" which forces everybody to come up with a much tighter, less flabby final product. Whereas productions with a bit more freedom in those areas can sometimes over-indulge to the point of losing traction somewhat.

    In my opinion, bottle shows have proven to be among some of Star Trek's most successful formats. :)
     
  8. SchwEnt

    SchwEnt Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Right on. With bottle shows, many times it falls to the actors to carry the eps in lieu of location shooting or lots of guest stars or extra visuals. And ST actors and characters are the hallmarks of the greatest eps.

    Plus, I like eps aboard the Enterprise. Strange new worlds are great, but for me personally, my favorite ST location will always be TOS Enterprise. I never get tired of being shipbound in the eps.
     
  9. EnsignRedshirt

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    Doomsday Machine from TOS is one of my favorite Trek episodes; the tension packed into that episode is brilliantly thrilling, even today.

    TNG:
    Where Silence Has Lease holds a special place in my heart. One, for a more frank exploration of death that Trek sometimes lacked and, two, for the fact that Nagilum freaked me out as a kid (still does a bit).

    I like A Matter of Perspective, courtroom dramas are fun and I thought this one was rather well done.

    Clues is another fun, "What the heck is going on?", episode that invited multiple viewings. Conundrum follows in its footsteps.

    DS9

    Duet. One of the best of the early DS9 episodes. Great character building for Kira. Same goes for "The Wire" for Bashir and Garak.

    Civil Defense (seeing Dukat so flustered is great) and Our Man Bashir (I'm a big Bond fan) are fun episodes as well.


    Haven't watched much Voyager or Enterprise lately. Looking at the Memory Alpha lists aren't jogging my memories sufficiently.
     
  10. "Family" would probably be considered a bottle show. It's not horrible.
     
  11. R. Star

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    You know, I never thought of this one as a bottle show, but I guess it -could- vaguely qualifty. Though they brought in a lot of guest stars and designed a new Romulan shuttle just for Vreenak.

    Duet still sets the high water mark for what a bottle show should be for me though. That was the crowning moment of season 1 and really not only told a powerful story but set the theme for DS9 as a whole.

    The worst? ANIS takes the cake for me. Bad writing, bad acting = bad episode. Go figure.
     
  12. Mojochi

    Mojochi Commodore Commodore

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    I'm quite fond of TNG's "Clues"
     
  13. CoveTom

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    How could "Family" be considered a bottle show? It has a significant number of guest stars, it uses never-before-seen sets, and parts of it are even filmed on location.
     
  14. Elias Vaughn

    Elias Vaughn Captain Captain

    No love for Data's Day?