Before & After

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  1. Melakon

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    If Harry had been written out, Seven probably would have been a guy just to maintain the gender balance. Braga initially conceived the character as male.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    I *really* want to know what they were thinking when they had Seven (in "Year of Hell") re-enact Kes' "Before and After" scene in the Jefferies' tube with the Krenim torpedo. They're both in there for different reasons, but doing the same thing at the same time. It's mind boggling.
     
  3. R. Star

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    It was a money saving tactic. They didn't have to pay a writer to write a new scene. ;)
     
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    They already had that "torpedo stuck in the hull" prop and wanted to use it again?
     
  6. Johnny

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    20 posts, and only 1 that says anything useful...wow.

    What interests me is that it wasn't just mentioned but ships were designed for the Krenem and battles shown, albeit short snippits. Interesting that they seemed to 'plan' so far ahead in what seems a step away from conventional trek story writing. I would have expected that year of hell just be ignored and the story to evolve in a different way. It was refreshing to see the cross referencing.
     
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    The events of Before and After, when Kes provided a report on all she could remember about the Krenim and their temporal weapons was expunged from the databanks because it didn't feature Seven.

    If the Borg Blonde isn't a key role in the episode (as either the problem and/or solution) then the events of those episodes mean nothing--which is why all other characters except for Seven, Janeway and the EMH become little more window dressing.
     
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    Thankyou for calling us all assholes, it's really refreshing.

    This wasn't planning way ahead.

    Before and After was setting up the the season cliffhanger which was only a month away.

    If Kes hadn't left, were they planning on using the exact same footage like they did in Babylon 5 during flashbacks and timetravel?
     
  9. R. Star

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    Fixed it for you. :)
     
  10. Johnny

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    Haha! Maybe '...only 1 that is on topic...' would be closer to the truth! :p
     
  11. KaraBear

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    do you guys want actual production info on the episode? Hubs and I are rewatching the show and after every episode we are going to Memory Alpha to look up any behind the scenes info about it. We just finished Year of Hell and there are some interesting bits of info there connecting Year of Hell with Before and After

    here are some of the more interesting tid bits....
    BEFORE AND AFTER
    YEAR OF HELL

     
  12. Johnny

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    Interesting stuff! Thinking back on it, it's intriguing that they didn't mention Kes' input. It's not like it would have been a difficult thing to include either.

    I think Tuvok being blind would have been great if they'd kept it for the rest of the show.
    J.
     
  13. KaraBear

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    Also in that memory alpha page were some quotes from Tim Russ talking about the challenge of playing a blind character. As an actor he found it very difficult to talk to someone but not to look them in the eye
     
  14. R. Star

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    I always wondered why they didn't just replicate a VISOR for Tuvok. Seems the small strain on a replicator with limited resources, which apparently you can recycle old material given Janeway's rejection of Chakotay's gift, would be worth it to have your tactical officer not relying on tactile interface... which has to be as power heavy over a given time as a single whirl of the replicator. Especially given you're under attack constantly.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    Geordi's VISOR was because he was born without an optic nerve.

    Bits of his brain were missing.

    His parents had the same mum and dad.

    They should have been able to clone new eyeballs for Tuvok and be done with it.

    Here's the real drag.

    Tuvok would rather be blind Tuvok and than a sighted Tuvix, unless he did ask Neelix to help a buddy out, and Neelix said "No".

    Or maybe they went through with it, but Tuvix was still Blind.

    "No, no, no, I'm back! I'm back! I don't mind being blind! You can't kill me again becau... I'm cool! I'm cool! Not like this, not like this AGAIN!"
     
  16. KaraBear

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    What does Neelix have to do with Tuvok not being blind?
     
  17. R. Star

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    Yeah, the Doctor made a new eye for Seven after she was Borg even if he implied it wasn't completely organic and she still had superior sight.
     
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    It's most likely that under normal circumstances replicating replacement eyes for Tuvok (depending on the damage) would be no big deal. But since the ship was heavily damaged and they didn't even have a functioning sickbay it's also likely they weren't capable of replicating something as complex as working eyeballs.
     
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    Yet they can convert a watch into, by Janeway's own words, a pair of boots, a meal or a hypospray? Why is that possible but not an eyeball or VISOR. Seems you'd want your tactical officer to be able to see when he's picking what he's shooting at instead of hoping he feels the changes to the sensors.
     
  20. KaraBear

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    well they're not directly converting a watch into boots. The watch would go back into bulk matter storage.

    a pair of boots seems like it would be much simpler to create than a functional eye ball
     

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