Battlestar Galactica Series Finale: "Daybreak, Part II"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Mar 18, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

  1. Excellent

    71.9%
  2. Above Average

    14.2%
  3. Average

    4.8%
  4. Below Average

    4.6%
  5. Poor

    4.6%
  1. startrekwatcher

    startrekwatcher Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    The series finale is the best episode since "No Exit" and overall I'm satisfied with how the series went out and what Moore came up with.

    The Battle--What can I say--Outstanding. Film quality effects. The epic battle comprising most of the first hour was the kind of unique event that stands out among other battles because of the impressive flawless detailed visual effects sequences, the well thought tactics and game plan from the writers via the characters, the choregraphy, the actual execution and the overall visceral impact of high stakes life and death struggles. Loved the action sequences both outside among the ships and within among the colonial troops and Cylon centurions. I got a kick out of te Centurion waving on Lee's group after clearing the corridor.

    Well I knew that these remaining elements not addressed and answered in "No Exit" would have to come out here and you know the funny thing a lot of them still didn't. Plot/Mythology was never really BSG's thing so I guess I should count myself lucky I didn't invest a lot in it even though what I saw I enjoyed and was certainly intrigued by. The first centering around the meaning of the Opera House was disappointing overall. I expected something more. I will say that I did like the sequence when Caprica and Baltar entered the CIC and we have the Final Five on the upper deck looking down on them bathed in the white light.

    We didn't learn what happened to Starbuck. Yes she is an angel but I would have liked more to it. We didn't learn about the reason for the exodus on Kobol. We didn't learn why those Final Five out of millions on Earth were chosen by the messengers. We didn't learn why the Four were activated at the nebula. We didn't learn where the song came from. I guess Starbuck being harbinger of death was the death of a purely human race. What was Starbuck's dad's connection to the Opera House. Why send Starbuck to the first Earth? Why did she need to die to go there? Was her dad a supernatural entity or what? I mean the last few episodes were pointless and here they try to cram too much in these two hours. I can't help but think the writers could have used those episodes to work on some of the mythology.

    What did work beautifully were the character moments beginning with the discovery of Earth.--Roslin's death was beautifully done with her being the only thing dying amid all this vibrant vivid thriving life on their newly found home , the cinematography was great, Starbuck and Lee's final moment and him turning around to see that she was gone. Loved the twist that our Earth was colonized by another group of humans from Kobol and the twelve colonies and that in a clever twist of messing with out heads we learn we are all part Cylon. Loved Hera being our ancestor. Liked that God wants us humanity to not die out so see if we can evetually get it right. Loved the flash to 150,000 years to our present and seeing the head figures observing humanity to see if it will start out the cycle again and leaving the episode with a big "?". Now that open-ended approach really worked with the focus on the latest news reports with regards to the advances in robotics and Jimi Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower rendering. Perfect!

    This episode would have been four stars excellent had it just dealt with the mythology better than it did. Everything else was there-the vfx, the battles, the character moments, the cinematography, the scores/musical selections, a poignant sendoff for Roslin and the series. Some might say the series wasn't about the mythology. True it wasn't exclusively about it but it deserved a bit better than it got here with the investment that people put into it.

    I'd rather the show never had a mythology than to resolve it this way because in the end it was a bit of a mess or at least from just one viewing and a little reflection it is a mess. I'm not budging one bit about this. It might be argued that life isn't always forthcoming with answers to its mysteries but at the end of the day the BSG is a tv show and the writers owed some answers and more interesting answers. It marred the episode. The mythology really could have been a great addition to the show in someone else's hands. And Lampkin's appearance was unnecessary and pointless other than he must be a fan favorite or more likely Moore's favorite.

    And just because a great episode doesn't make up for the sloppy journey getting there. Still I voted Excellent since closer to that.
     
  2. Mr Light

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    It was great to finally see them fighting Centurions again. It's unfortunate their budget never allowed them to really use those toasters. Seriously when was the last time we had a large scale battle with Centurions? 2X1? And we even got the old-style ones too! Too bad those didn't talk. ... Speaking of Galactica's end. Did they order Anders to kill himself? Was he willing to kill himself like that? That was weird. It's too bad we didn't get a pretty shot of Galactica diving into the sun and slowly exploding from the heat/stress.
     
  3. MeanJoePhaser

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    Haw....awww....shit. They should've ended this 50 minutes early with Galactica approaching Earth that part was great They could've left it ambiguous and I could accept it.

    Instead, Michael Piller rose from the grave and cowrote the rest with his luddite hands.

    Yeah, everyone agrees to abandon technology. Days before they wanted to strip Galactica bare for every nut and bolt and now, because Lee Frakking Apollo suggests it...they all go along. And we accept that, because Bill Adama tells us they do. All grayness is gone. We have angels and a fresh start with nature...oo-rah.

    So the colonials give Earth humans latin and Greek pantheon of gods and decide that paper can have corners. And we are all part cylon. Wheeeee!!!!

    What Lee Adama gets in the end for himself...nothing. All his idealism lead to the pigeon flying out the window...him alone. No father, no Kara. A world to explore, and cavewomen to frak.

    Romo has the last pair of sunglasses in the universe.

    Helo better hope that leg doesn't get infected.

    But that said, I think it was the gutsy choice to stick with 70's BSG's "life here began out there" and the supernatural "angels" and that Hera really was some Holy love child. Those were, contrary to the hype the show has had about "realism", hokey things to do, too. As was the last few minutes...oh no, AI is destined to plague humanity. Gee, Moore, did The Terminator and The Matrix tell us that in less than 4 seasons?

    So really, it was a show about characters. Moore was right about that. The message was just the same old sci-fi cliche...don't build killer robots. We all knew that from the get go, though. All this has happened before and will happen again...we knew that, too. The 150,000 years later ending was gratuitous.

    I have no desire to see Caprica. What's the point? (That's the drawback of a prequel to a series that ends with so much closure.)
     
  4. Agent Richard07

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    You know, after being spoiled about the "150,000 years later" bit, I started thinking... Hey, Ron Moore through in a little nod to the concept of Ancient Astronauts.
     
  5. Harvey

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    The thirteenth tribe built the place on there way to Earth (they called it the "Temple of Hopes").

    More here.

    Most of that can be found in "No Exit."
     
  6. Russ

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    That's basically my feeling as well.

    The mini and first season were great. Second season, as a whole, was mostly good, but that's where it started to fall apart for me.
     
  7. Agent Richard07

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    I think that's a big part of it. We got something, but not everything.
     
  8. Skywalker

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    Yeah, human life versus synthetic life is a time-honored theme in science fiction. It's also the central story of the Mass Effect franchise.
     
  9. Mr Light

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    LOL, that reminds me. The new leaders and saviors of humanity... Romo and Hoshi?!?!?! :D Dude I laughed my ass off. Was Hoshi even on the show before Gaeta got his leg blown off? I could never bother to keep track of all the C-list characters. Like I had no idea who the girl in the Raptor that launched the nukes was.
     
  10. Skywalker

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    Dude, that was Racetrack.
     
  11. steveman

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    Oh? Like Voyager?

    No. Thanks.
     
  12. Harvey

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    Hoshi was from the Pegasus. He's been on the show since that ship was introduced (and was also in Razor). But, yeah, it was funny. I'm sorry we didn't get one last scene with Romo before the end. We saw him from a distance, but no close up. Maybe on the DVD.
     
  13. nx1701g

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    I just said that this morning to someone.

    Three more episodes left of Terminator too.
     
  14. Chess Piece Face

    Chess Piece Face Commodore Commodore

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    We know that the 13th tribe built it on the way to Earth the first time. We know that the final five visited it in retracing their steps to the colonies. What we don't know is who modified it to show the faces of the final five.

    I guess the stock answer like with every other question from now on with this show will be "God did it."

    Yawn.
     
  15. Admiral Buzzkill

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    I expect that 150,000 years was chosen partly because it's well before any civilization we know of or written history of any kind...those indigenous humans are probably not even using speech at this point.

    That "Ancient Astronauts" bullshit, OTOH, is all based on a few popular writers who made hay out of the notion that technologically advanced creatures have visited and interacted with humanity during historical and just-prehistoric times. The pyramids are nowhere near 150,000 years old, nor are any of the creation myths we know.

    Moore said quite a while ago that the series would respect what we actually know about the history of life and humanity on this planet, and he was more or less true to that - the suggestion that some thousands of human beings from elsewhere might have entered the gene pool after humanity had evolved to almost modern status is, while dubious, a lot easier to swallow than the Von Daniken proposition.
     
  16. DarthPipes

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    So our Earth is their Earth but it's not the original Earth.

    Lee's idea worked but there's no way I can see the humans of BSG accepting the "no technology" thing. They jump at mob rule the first chance they get. Does "no technology" include not using the remaining medicine too?
     
  17. Chess Piece Face

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    I'm ok with getting something and not getting everyting, but when what they give you is a blanket "God did it" that's just b o r i n g.
     
  18. Robert Maxwell

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    Seems like the "150,000 years later" bit is the most controversial part of the ep. It felt to me like belaboring the point. An uncharacteristic level of hand-holding for the audience members too dumb to "get it," or something.
     
  19. nx1701g

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    Just look at New Caprica.
     
  20. MeanJoePhaser

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    Did they let the imprisoned people out before sending the ships into the sun?

    Whatever happened to Boxey and the crew from the Equinox and the borg baby?

    Does this mean LDS is the true religion?

    Why would they want the Duke's son killed?