Battlestar Galactica Series Finale: "Daybreak, Part II"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Mar 18, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

  1. Excellent

    71.9%
  2. Above Average

    14.2%
  3. Average

    4.8%
  4. Below Average

    4.6%
  5. Poor

    4.6%
  1. IrritatingGameOfChess

    IrritatingGameOfChess Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I liked it but it didn't blow me away...I don't need EVERY loose end tied up, but I was looking forward to learning who/what Kara was. The lack of an explanation there was a little unsatisfying.

    Perhaps the expectations were too high, but I certainly enjoyed it and it was worth watching.
     
  2. BenRoethig

    BenRoethig Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I don't know if Kara was exactly the same, Head Baltar and Head Six couldn't physically interact.
     
  3. Chess Piece Face

    Chess Piece Face Commodore Commodore

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    Average. I didn't get choked up at any moment.

    They never explained what Kara was, who God was, what head Baltar and head Six are.

    I wasn't surprised by the Second Earth thing...they either had to find our earth in the past, present or future...I'm ok with what they picked. I guess.

    So Hera was Mitochondrial Eve and we are all half human/half cylon. Whoopdee shit.
     
  4. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It wasn't Hera, it was the child of Baltar and Caprica-Six.

    I think.
     
  5. Goliath

    Goliath Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I started watching the finale thinking just one thing:

    "Please. Just--don't suck."

    And I was pleased.

    It didn't suck. :techman:

    I didn't think it was quite "excellent," but definitely "above average."
     
  6. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

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    In a way it might be good that "God" wasn't explained. BSG isn't that kind of show. All we know is that there's soemthing out there, and he likes good music. Maybe it's Burt Reynolds. :cool:
     
  7. Brent

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    Yeah, kinda sounded devious the way she said it, like don't mess with it
     
  8. nx1701g

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    It was Hera. I think that the different landscapes they showed was supposed to support that.
     
  9. Nobody

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    I have to get up early for work tomorrow but real quick: wow. I loved this. Coda might've been a bit much, but it still worked. I'll have to watch again to reprocess everything. Gets an excellent for me.



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  10. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

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    I was sure they/we'd break the cycle, but they left that part open. It was actually a nice move.
     
  11. BenRoethig

    BenRoethig Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Mary looks frakkin' hot in just about every scene.
     
  12. Chess Piece Face

    Chess Piece Face Commodore Commodore

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    Ok, either way, who gives a shit? I mean not that it really matters with the way they ended it, but I assumed it was Hera because they went to all that trouble to get her. She was the key. But the fact that it doesn't matter and we can argue about it just shows another flaw in the whole thing. Heck, it could have been some other pairing with a cylon and human we haven't even seen happen yet.

    The more I think about this finale, the less I am impressed. With all the WTF moments this show has thrown at us like the year jump in time on New Caprica or many other risky things, they sure ended it in a bland way.
     
  13. bigdaddy

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    Not true, Head Six once lifted Baltar up off the ground I think in a season 4.0 episode.

    However Kara beign an Angel made sense, and fits the seasons 3 and 4 of the show, however it still felt a little cheap.

    They answered enough questions to be pleasing and left things open so people talk about it in the future. Why would the show need to explain God? Do you know what God is? Nope, and you don't on the show either.

    Plus once again BSG 2010 baby! Moore give me a message so I can give you a call about it. ;)
     
  14. Nobody

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    I think the implication at the end was we can't let our souls be outpaced by our technology and commercialism. That's how we break the cycle. At least, that's my first sophomoric interpretation 10 minutes after on very little sleep. :)



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  15. nx1701g

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    Especially in her 'youthful (real)' appearance.
     
  16. Velocity

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    So was it just an accident that destroyed the peace between Cavil's group and Gallactica's group OR was it "He who doesn't like to be called God" stepping in and changing things? If so, I think I know why he doesn't like to be called "God"...
     
  17. Mr Light

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    I'm not a huge fan of this series, I find it too slow and soap opera-y, but I found the finale to be satisfying on the whole. It had a great final battle (though more regulars should have died). It had a cool twist of them being the progenitors of our Earth. And Roslin dying did bring a tear to my eye. I could've done without the endless flashbacks, though. This is stuff they should have done in Season One.

    I was disappointed we never met God in the "flesh" though. I was hoping for more of an explanation that Head-Baltar and Head-Six being angels of God. Why did Roslin get visions? Why did Baltar and Caprica Six get chosen to be the sole subjects of the angels? Caprica-Six did lead the democratic revolution in S2, but what exactly did Baltar do of such importance after the Fall of the Colonies? Convince Cavil to put down his gun in the finale? Become Vichy-President?

    I don't understand why Adama is never going to see his own son and pseudo-daughter again. He's sad his girlfriend died so he's abandoning his family forever to live as a hermit? I don't get it.

    Another thing that confused me about being the progenitors. So the 38,000 humans were scattered across the globe... apparently many of them in singles or pairs. Are we to assume they all went around boffing the natives? Or was the group in Africa supposed to be the only group of humans on the planet? Since Hera is the "mitochondrical Eve" does that mean the poor girl was forced to mate continously for her entire life? When Tyrol went off to Scotland... were there proto-humans living in Scotland 150,000 years ago?

    Also, why do they assume they're perfectly save from the Cylons at this juncture? I guess the Cylon home-colony fell into the blackhole or was nuked to smithereens but obviously that wasn't 100% of the surviving Cylons of Cavil's side. There's more than one Cavil (even though the second half of S4 has treated him as a singular entity for some reason... to give us a clear bad guy to kill I guess) and they were all in agreement on the civil war issue. How do they know they won't get backtracked? I kept expecting the ending to be them destroying their fleet and then a couple years later Cavil's group shows up to nuke them from orbit, the end. ;)
     
  18. bryce

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    I concur...Hera is "Eve"...the mother of us all...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

    I thought that was really cool!

    I was disappointed about the "God" thing and the lack of a *real* explaination for Starbuck, and ditching the ships...but I DID like the Hera/Eve thing...
     
  19. ialfan

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    Excellent. Wow. Frakking great finale! I could have done without that last scene though. Just the silliness of the robots kind of took something away from the thing.

    I never thought BSG would have a happy(ish) ending like this. Seems Starbuck really did die in "Maelstorm" and came back just long enough to complete her destiny. Cally gets justice for her murder, Cavil rids of the universe of himself, the opera house is finally revealed, seeing the hybid one last time, old school cylons, Tory dies, Skulls dies, the centurions are freed, Roslin dies, Galactica dies and so on.

    I am still in shock over it all but I find it very satisfying. It didn't answer all the questions but I think it answered all the important ones either implied or directly. I still think Kara being a hybrid daughter of Daniel would have been the route to go but I like this also. It's no different than accepting Cordy in Angel's "You're Welcome" was really Cordy. She died but her consciousness lived on and took a physical form since her destiny was incomplete. Her role in all this was orchestrated by "Not.God". I can live with that implication.

    I liked that essentially Hera really didn't mean anything and was only special in that she was the first Human/Cylon child. Everyone obsessed over her but in the end she was nothing special.

    On a side note the Chief and Boomer really have a way of frakking things up. Boomer steals Hera and pretty much finishes off Galactica thanks to Tyrol's help. Then when a peaceful resolution with Cavil's forces might be possible Tyrol kills Tory destroying the peace and leaving the "bad" cylons without resurrection tech. Besides that they now have no females so there is no way they can continue. They will die even if they survived the nukes.

    I think any lingering questions about the final five and their role and the planning of the attack on the colonies will be spelled out in "The Plan". Even if it wasn't I feel enough has been said for anyone intelligent to fill in the blanks just like "Razor" wasn't really necessary either.

    Roslin's death was expected but so touching I cried the whole time she was dying from the moment Adama said his goodbyes until she died in the raptor. I even liked the flashbacks since they were few and far between in this episode and starkly contrasted where the characters ended up.

    I'm not sure I'm 100% on Lee's idea of blending in with the natives though and abandoning their technology. It won't do much good in keeping the Cylons from nuking them if they wanted to and all it did was set them back 40,000+ years in development. Still it made for a happy ending so I'm ok with it.

    Looking back on my series my greatest disappointments are lack of time to flesh out Leoben. He is this incredibly important player but in season four after Revelations he has two scenes of consequence -- finding Kara's body and helping Roslin with broadcasting to the fleet. Number Three just staying on Earth just felt a bit sloppy. Simon and Doral both could have used more screen time instead of being generic bad guy Cylon doctor/reporter/Cavil lackeys. Also of concern is the lack of continuity and retcons on certain things like the number of ships in the fleet, the whole episode "Hero", and other dropped plots like the class struggle hinted at in "Dirty Hands" and the Valance murder plot in "Colonial Day".

    This finale was just great and I look forward to the "definitive" extended edition in a few months. I surely hope the extra minutes will add little bits of character moments and maybe answer a few lingering questions I must be forgetting now. This finale has drained me so much I can't honestly think of any unanswered questions that are left. I will definitely be watching this at least twice more this weekend just to soak it all in.
     
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  20. Robert Maxwell

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    Excellent.

    Not perfect. Not the greatest finale in history. But unabashedly ambitious and true to the series. Dug up elements some of us had forgotten about. Gave everyone what I thought was a fitting end. The fast-forward to the present day was a bit much--I don't think it was necessary.

    But it all fit together quite well, and I was riveted. Getting all the action out of the way in the first hour was a smart move, I thought.

    I had a feeling some elements were not going to be answered concretely, so I'm fine with that. Baltar turned out to be right about Kara. And I like the way so many of the characters came full circle by the end.

    The only thing I didn't like was the epilogue. It just came off so tongue-in-cheek, such a bizarre tonal shift from what came before it. I might have liked it better if it ended with Adama talking to Roslin's grave, or even Hera running through the grass. The flash-forward just came off as gratuitous and heavy-handed... not to mention freakin' weird.

    A minor quibble I can forgive for such an incredible finale, though.

    Anyone who voted "Poor" for this episode has no soul.