Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Nov 6, 2012.

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Grade Blood & Chrome...

  1. Excellent

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  2. Above Average

    43.1%
  3. Average

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  4. Below Average

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  1. DarKush

    DarKush Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I thought the finale was okay. What really gave me the geek moment was the Six scene. Before that it was on shaky ground. I didn't get why neither man even discussed executing or arresting Beka after she had been exposed as a traitor. They just walked away. The pacing and everything just felt odd and a bit anti-climatic as they stumbled off, leaving Beka behind.

    I also don't get why the Fleet signed on to this plan. There weren't easier ways to trick the Cylons? I am glad though that the commander explained that the Fleet knew about Beka's treachery the whole time, because I was wondering why someone would okay this mission in the first place.

    Overall I thought B&C started off real strong but began to peter out in the third act. The limits of their special effects budget really started showing once they hit the ice planet. Though the FX were a little dodgy, I did like the proto-Six Cylon. She reminded me of the robots in I, Robot, and I always thought there was something creepy about those robots.

    I wouldn't mind seeing more B&C adventures, though a part of me wishes they had left Adama out of it (though it was cool seeing why he was named Husker) so that it wouldn't conflict with Razor and so we could have a main character who could be in real jeopardy. The actor playing young Adama was okay in my book, but I wish they had just named him something else.
     
  2. DarthPipes

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    That was Tricia Helfer's voice at the end, right?

    I really enjoyed the ending myself. I'm sorry to see this won't be going to show.
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    The finale was pretty damn good. Starting to when Coker shot Beka to the arrival of the rescue Raptor I was actually unsure of how things would play out. I figured Coker would probably live given the intent was to go to series, but given he's weeks away from the end of his term of service, they could always pull out that old trope and have him killed. And although Beka's betrayal was something I was suspecting since she and Adama made out las week, it was still a shocking moment regardless. Mainly because her getting shot by Coker was completley unexpected.

    It seems a bit too abrupt that Adama is suddenly accepted by the other Viper pilots as "one of them," but whatever. That scene of him getting into his Viper and launching was cool..

    Overall, I enjoyed Blood and Chrome. I now wich it were continuing as a series, this is exactly what sci-fi television needs right now.

    On a sad note, this is likely the last time we'll see anything in the nu-BSG universe. As it turns out, it airs the day before the nine year anniversary of when the mini series first aired on SyFy (December 8, 2003).
     
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  4. Saul

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    Agree with what others said, there is no jeopardy if Adama is the main character for this series. I don't really see where the show could go and it seems nothing that there is nothing left unresolved or set up for future episodes.
     
  5. 6079SmithW

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    Now begins the wait for the blu ray/dvd release...
     
  6. Ancient Mariner

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    All things considered, I'm voting this "Excellent". It certainly wasn't flawless. But it was fun, exciting, and I thoroughly enjoyed myself. The "cameo" was great. And while the ending felt rushed (Adama's acceptance), it nonetheless sets the stage for plenty of adventure in future installments (even if those installments are never realized). To say that there's NO dramatic tension if Adam is the main character is too narrow a view, IMO. For starters, this show is less about "tension" and more about action and entertainment. To that extent, I see a great deal of potential - if the miraculous happens and the series sees another installment.
     
  7. Candlelight

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    I would've preferred to have seen Tricia full stop. Not as herself (cos we've come nine years in real time since her first appearance) but as an obvious construct and still the actress underneath.
     
  8. Kegg

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    That was clearly Tricia Helfer's voice. I read an interview a while back where she said she 'might' have a role in this, and well, what else could she have been but a Cylon?

    How many TV series actually kill off their main character? Adama is in as much jeopardy as Kirk or Picard ever were on their shows.

    It was an alright ending to a competent webseries. I wasn't invested enough in the characters to care much about the betrayal or the arguments with guns pointing at each other, but mostly it was a solid mission-orineted bit of mil sci-fi and if it had gone to series I would have likely continued with it. The Wormhole is right, though, this is probably it for the nuBSGverse (unless we count the Blu-ray of this movie due next year, which will have extra scenes - i.e. likely nudity, as they've done for the Caprica pilot and The Plan and so on).
     
  9. Saul

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    That's a fair point but if the show were taken to series we know that his ultimate fate rests with nBSG.
    And they've already pulled the trick of killing Adama once in Caprica.
     
  10. DarKush

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    Granted the lead character is rarely in real jeopardy in any TV show, but when you do a prequel series it seems to rob even a little unpredictability regarding the fate of the main character.

    A prequel show like Enterprise got around that by featuring a totally new (and up to then) unheard of Enterprise and crew. With any of the Star Treks, since they were taking place 'right now' respectively we could never be as certain that they would make it out alive. For example I didn't know if Picard was going to survive "Best of Both Worlds". Or what about Kirk in "The Doomsday Machine"? The Star Wars prequels both introduced new characters with old ones, but one of the main draws of those films was seeing how it all came together and set up the original trilogy.

    With the Cylon War I think you could have something similar to the Star Wars prequel films in that regard, but with the TV show known for some unpredictability and twists, I say why not have the best of both worlds and go the Enterprise route?

    Adama's story was well told during BSG, plus we got to see him during the first war in Razor, and to some extent his youth was covered in Caprica. He's a great character, but I would've rather seen new characters, totally fresh and new to the universe. It wouldn't have hemmed in the potential writers for the series as much. And it could open up more avenues for them to explore different aspects of Colonial lives and cultures.

    Regarding Saul's feelings about the limited places B&C could go...I think there was a lot of stuff they could do to cover the war and how it affected the colonies. Perhaps we could get some new takes or interpretations of what we 'thought' had occurred during the war. Also there could be new Cylon models, Cylon homeworld, new Colonial ships, and a lot of cool stuff. Also B&C might give us more information about the Cylons and Final Five, while also tying up any loose ends from Caprica. Granted it's probably just filling in the blanks, but it could still be interesting. Especially if you base it around interesting characters and life and death situations. War is a terrible human experience that lends itself to constant exploration.
     
  11. Saul

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    It also got around it with the introduction of the Temporal Cold War leaving things a bit up in the air. Did Earth have contact with the Klingons sooner than originally? Was the Enterprise meant to be destroyed before being saved by Silik in Season 1. We also had the unexpected introduction of the Xindi attacking Earth something which didn't originally happen.

    Nobody did. Patrick Stewart himself wasn't even sure and there was doubt that he would actually return to the series after season 3.


    Star Wars had a story to tell. How did Anakin Skywalker become Darth Vader.

    We already know who Adama is and what makes the man tick. We've explored him and his background thoroughly in nBSG.

    Time travel? :devil:
    I agree, but they didn't do that. They told a pretty average story with not so many twists. It didn't leave me wanting more. By the end of the nBSG series I wasn't really sold on it until the end which had a few twists and revealed a Character being a Cylon and made me wonder who else could be a Cylon. *cough* Roslin *cough*. It got me back to check out the opening of Season 1.

    Blood and Chrome has a lot of cool stuff but I think I need a little bit more story and characterization. Some holy sh*t! moments.
     
  12. Kegg

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    Basically any character in the miniseries other than Adama could have died, and some did. That's the same level of threat you get with most sci-fi shows.

    It's true you could do a more unusual and elaborate prequel series for Battlestar Galactica, whose protagonists have unknown endpoints - but then, that was basically Caprica (Willie Adama was not just a fakeout, he was also a minor character). B&C wanted to put the focus back on Adama's career and the battlestars, which is fair enough.
     
  13. Lyon_Wonder

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    IMO, the semi-humanoid Cylon with glowing red eyes with Six's voice looks like a reimagined IL Series Cylon. For some reason I can imagine one those Cylons named "Lucifer" and uttering a Jonathan Harris-type voice:)
     
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  14. bigdaddy

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    It was fine. I don't need more though.
     
  15. DarKush

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    I didn't think about that before. Good catch.
     
  16. Brandonv

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    Is Tricia voicing the cylon at the end a continuity error? I though that the 6 model was designed by the final five, after the war.

    I enjoyed B&C a lot more than I expected to. I was hoping for a big space battle at the end (It would have been cool seeing more of the Galactica in her prime), but otherwise I wasn't disappointed.

    Its strange - back in 09 when nuBSG ended I was satisfied, and didn't feel any need to return to that universe. But after watching B&C I suddenly find myself wanting more. I'm kind of sad that this is the last we will see of the nuBSG universe.
     
  17. Kaijima

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    I think it was more of a tribute than a continuity error, same as with using the piano bars of NuBSG's teaser music and the question "Are you alive?"

    Anyway, I actually really enjoyed B&C and if it had gone to series, feel it could have really been used to clean up a lot of the messiness of NuBSG's retcons and convoluted backstory. I would have liked if it was as much about the Cylons as the colonials (but showing mostly war action as was the basic idea).

    The could have had an ongoing subplot delving into just how the Cylons rebelled, the connection there with Caprica. The end of the series could have possibly gone a little bit past the end of the war, showing where the Cylons went when given their own homeworld, and the arrival of the Final Five.

    One of the aspects of NuBSG's retconned backstory that never made much sense to me involved the Final Five making the Significant Seven. So they show up, bring some kind of spiritual salve to the Colonial-created Cylons, and then convince those Cylons to turn most of their race into slaves (the Centurions / non-humanoid AIs) and make themselves mostly a bunch of clones of only 7 different faces / personalities. It was all probably just a buncha crap made up on the spur of the moment to justify what how the Final Five fit into everything.

    But it still would have been nice to see it play out first hand, and perhaps come up with a better way of presenting it and telling the story.
     
  18. Lyon_Wonder

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    I wonder if the writers originally intended to have Beka Kelly killed in B&C all along, or decided to have the Kelly character killed off since they knew B&C didn't have a chance of being green-lighted as series?

    It reminds me of Count Baltar's intended demise in BSG78's pilot "Saga of a Star World". When the TOS pilot originally aired in it's theatrical version Count Baltar was executed by the Cylons after Imperious Leader gave the order. But when BSG78 was ordered as full series the scene in the pilot was changed and a later scene added where Imperious Leader spared Baltar's life and introduced him to Lucifer.

    It makes me wonder had Syfy ordered an entire season of a followup Cylon War series well in advance of B&C's airing, the scene of Kelly with the proto-humanoid Cylon have been been changed with Kelly retained as a recurring character collaborating with the Cylons.
     
  19. Maurice

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    Just watched the ending. The whole thing was by-the-numbers and boring.
     
  20. Saul

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    Were those new lines by Six at the end? Seemed like something I already heard in the past series and the sound was a little off as if they had taken it from another scene.
     

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