Battlestar Galactica 4x19: "Daybreak, Part I"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Mar 13, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

  1. Excellent

    35.0%
  2. Above Average

    29.9%
  3. Average

    23.9%
  4. Below Average

    6.6%
  5. Poor

    4.6%
  1. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    For along time, the characters in the series were just like that. Not interested in the bigger picture. Not curious. I guess they had enough fun bickering! :lol:

    I know that sounds a bit negative. I do enjoy the series. I'll certainly miss it when it's gone but, well, nothing is perfect.

    Personally I do care about the answers. I also care about the characters.

    Mr Awe

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  2. ladyheather69

    ladyheather69 Captain Captain

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    Well I didn't vote, but if I had I would have voted above average or excellent. :bolian:

    Personally, I don't care that we may or may not get the answers to the questions that have been posed. It isn't about the ends...it is about the journey. At least for me it is.

    And on a different note here: several posters asked about what Adama wasn't wanting to do...do you think maybe it was that he didn't want to come out of retirement and do the whole PR thing when they were going to decommission the Galatica and make her a museum? Granted I could be wrong and it could be more, but that was my first instinct.

    Looking forward to the final episode. I will miss this show when it is gone!!!
     
  3. Agent Richard07

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    I care about seeing answers to a lot of the mythological stuff too and I'm surprised that so many don't. For me, the show is just as much about the mythology as it is about the drama. I can't imagine thinking that everything that's been set up in regards to the mythology doesn't matter or doesn't need to be addressed. I wouldn't be upset if some things were left open or unanswered, but the suggestion that absolutely none of it matters is a bit extreme if you ask me.

    I was wondering why the vote count was so low and I figured that this might be one reason.
     
  4. What's his face

    What's his face Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Honestly I was disappointed by this episode. The only part I liked (any I really enjoyed this part) was the cgi Caprica City in the first 30 seconds.

    I understand that this episode was meant to set up for the finale, but in the whole episode there was about 5 minutes of plot advancement and 45 minutes of flashbacks. I think they could have used this time to advance the polt at least a little bit more.

    I didn't vote but I'd call this episode below average. The only this keeping it from being poor in my eyes was that really sweet cgi scene I mentioned. That and Adama's speech at the end.
     
  5. Garth Rockett

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    Well, let me make clear: I am interested in the bigger picture. As I indicated in the post you quoted from (perhaps a bit too obscurely), I very much wanted answers about who all the models of the Cylons were, why the final five are different, and why the other seven weren't supposed to know who the final five are. But that's been answered already. The Opera House storyline has never held much interest for me, and I prefered the mystery of not knowing if the Head Characters are real or imagined. Now that they're apparently real, that makes it a bit more ordinary (and boring) to me.

    As far as the bigger picture is concerned, I still want to know how Hera fits into things, but after Daybreak Part I it's pretty obvious that that reveal is where the finale is heading, so there's no point in being anxious about getting that answer. I'm sure it will tie in with the Head People and the Opera House (the things I'm not as interested in) but that's okay.

    I think it's a bit unfair to characterize my view as not being interested in the bigger picture. It's just that they've already covered the parts of the bigger picture I'm interested in in a satisfactory manner. Let's not forget that a lot has been revealed already during 4.5.
     
  6. Mr Awe

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    You know, if the show isn't about revelations and answers, they shouldn't have set it up so there are these intriguing questions that we'd want answers to. :rolleyes:

    You may be correct that we won't get the answers. That would be a mistake after creating a fictional universe that naturally raises those questions.

    If the writers are too lazy to want to answer bigger questions within a fictional universe like that, they should've stuck with a soap where you can get away with limiting yourself to the character dynamics. Yes, I know they tried going that route as well . . .

    Mr Awe
     
  7. Kelso

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    I think the characters are too busy trying to stay alive. :lol:
     
  8. Mr Awe

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    Ah, you do care! And, I was just reacting to your text as you wrote it. Perhaps you were exaggerating to make a point? I didn't mean to be unfair.

    Mr Awe
     
  9. Garth Rockett

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    I wasn't exaggerating, but I didn't clearly state what elements I did care about. I don't (and never have) cared about most of the remaining questions - certainly the Opera House and especially the Head People. I do care a bit about Hera, which I probably should have mentioned previously. A few weeks ago, I would have cared much more about the Starbuck storyline, but I feel like now they've suggested enough of the answers that I would be totally satisfied if they don't address it further. I think I might like them to address it further, but I'm not worried about whether they do or not.

    All the things that I would have been truly disappointed if they hadn't addressed (in terms of the larger narrative) have pretty much already been answered enough for my tastes, and that's why I'm not too worried about getting any more answers the rest of the way.

    I didn't mean to knock on you with the "unfair" comment; I really didn't fully explain how I felt about the larger plot previously. (And may not have this time. ;))
     
  10. Agent Richard07

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    I agree.
     
  11. Samuel T. Cogley

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    Exactly. :techman:
     
  12. Timby

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    The production staff was originally told by Sci-Fi Channel execs that they would be allowed to run longer-than-normal episodes for the Season 4.5 run -- so the episodes were written longer. Prior to airing, that decision was reversed, necessitating cuts to the episodes.
     
  13. Harvey

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    Since Ronald D. Moore has insisted that we'd be getting an explanation to the "Head" characters this season since at least the podcast to "The Ties That Bind," I'd be extremely surprised (and disappointed) if that doesn't happen in the next episode.

    And the opera house will certainly be addressed, given that Michael Taylor was unwilling to go into further detail about the whole thread at the Chicago Tribune's Feature Blog when asked a few weeks ago about it.
     
  14. Rii

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    I couldn't care less about the "bigger picture" regarding the Cylons, Final Five, Hera, Earth, etc. BSG hasn't faltered because it's failed to answer these questions, it's faltered because it's raised them to such prominence in the first place without (outside Kara) having them resonate with the characters on an emotional level. The dichotomy between "plot" and "character" that we've seen in S4.5 is one that shouldn't exist
     
  15. Mr Awe

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    Staying alive is certainly a worthwhile goal, especially in real life. On a TV show, I'd like a little more examination of the mythology, particularly when their existence seems to depend on it.

    Actually, I'm not worried about the answers we will get. I think we'll get them in the finale. My main worry is that it'll get wrapped up very quickly. There are only 90 minutes of screen time left. Meanwhile, we had 4 episodes that were light on plot. It would've been nice to have used them more effectively.

    Mr Awe
     
  16. tomalak301

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    Oh yeah, there is a story. My point is that that story has almost kind of stopped lately. I'm looking forward to seeing the story end, I just wish it was written better than what we ended up with.
     
  17. siskokid888

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    Is it just me, or is Katee packing a little more up front then she was at the beginning of the series? :drool:
     
  18. CordrazineOD

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    My sentiments exactly. Seems like the last 4 episodes could have been done in half the time at twice the pace.
     
  19. Myasishchev

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    I think they spent weeks goofing off in Earth orbit and not asking obvious questions of obvious people (Starbuck, here's looking at you).
     
  20. CordrazineOD

    CordrazineOD Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    That's outrageous. What, they didn't want to cut into their allotted slot for Stargate BS-Atlantica or whatever the frak it is? They've never, ever had an original production on that network that approaches the quality of Battlestar---not even close. You'd think they'd respect and appreciate it more. :(