Battlestar Galactica 4x18: "Islanded in a Stream of Stars"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Mar 6, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

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  2. Above Average

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  1. Serial thread killer

    Serial thread killer Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I was surprise that Starbuck slapped Baltar i thought she would have at least have puched him life after death must calm you down.
    And has for Adama wanted to send the old girl off in style i think he should be careful what he wishes for.
     
  2. MPH

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    A good episode. Im sure all these last few episodes wil play better when you watch them all together on DVD, I think its a case of people want answers or action in every episode so when we don't get it there labelled as "filler". The payoff im sure will be worth it.
     
  3. ATimson

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    His credit position means nothing; everybody after Sackhoff is in alphabetical order.
     
  4. Mr Awe

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    Because I'm a show viewer, you bet I get to make that call. Of course, as a fellow show viewer, you get to make your own call.
    Yes, but good writing will develop characters AND the plot. Yes, that is more difficult but that's why it's called good writing.

    Wow, you're being a bit harsh there. I've never said that I didn't enjoy the show. I just think it could be better in some ways. And, at points, BSG has been exceptional. The last 3 weeks have been a bit bland. I call them as I see them.

    I'm not saying that BSG should be Lost. I'm saying the writers of BSG could learn a thing or two from the writers of Lost. To illustrate this, I'd say that Lost is just as much about its characters as BSG is about its characters. However, while Lost has developed exceptional characters, they have ALSO developed the plot in extremely interesting ways.

    This wasn't always the case with Lost. There was a time when Lost stumbled with the plot developments and you can bet I was criticizing that as well. But, the writers adapted, it's no longer a problem, and I give them high marks for that. I call them as I see them.

    In the end, if it's ALL about the characters, you might as well write a soap. And BSG went down that path as well.

    Mr Awe
     
  5. Seven of Five

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    Frakkin Excellent! I think there is another gear that the final episode will step into, but I really loved this. The end seems so near now, I felt quite emotional throughout the hour.

    I was right there with Kara when Baltar started shouting about her and she slapped him; stupid Gaius. One of my favourite parts of though was shortly afterward where Lee tells Kara straightforwardly that he doesn't care what's happened, and that she's exactly the same. Tears in my eyes, dammit.

    Hera crying was unsettling but then upset kids generally are. I was getting angry at Boomer but hey, a small glimmer of humanity remains in her in the way she looked after her in the end.
     
  6. Lord Lunacy

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    Hmm, they might be saving all the cg money for the final three episodes, so all these fillersodes are neccessary for a more epic finally.
     
  7. Mr Awe

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    ^^ Filler doesn't have to be so bland! Filler also doesn't mean character development only.

    But, it does seem like things will be kicked up a notch for the finale. I'm thankful for that.

    Mr Awe
     
  8. Temis the Vorta

    Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Average.

    There are a lot of ideas being tossed around, some of them interesting (Starbuck is human yet resurrected?) some of them meh (now the Cylons have a secret homeworld? how convenient) but it just isn't cohering into a story. It's a jumble of elements being tossed at us in order to fill time till the show ends. At this point, just before the end, there should be more of a sense of cumulative tension building to something of some importance, and instead it's just circling the drain.

    Some emotional resonances still exist - Kara and Sam, Adama and Roslin, Adama and Tigh toasting the Galactica before her demise - but the major storyline, which has become The Eternal Cylon Soap Opera of Boredom, completely falls flat. I don't give a frak about Hera, or whether the Cylon race survives. They're a failed experiment, and they don't deserve to survive. Why doesn't anyone just admit it or even mention it as a possibility?

    Adama blathered about humanity not deserving to survive, even though we've now discovered that humanity did nothing wrong and the whole catastrophe was Cavil throwing a tantrum and his Cylon pals (presumably) being either incredibly gullible or moronic to just go along with him unquestioningly. The Cylons were the ones at fault, so why don't they go commit suicide now? It would be consistent with the harsh moral tone this series has often taken, and is one of its most unique qualities that separates it from other sci fi sagas. I don't mind that tone - it's good to have something unique - but morality needs to be applied consistently or it becomes meaningless pompous twaddle.

    I still fail to understand why the writers set the Cylons up to be not just evil but flat-out idiotic, yet expect us to have a shred of sympathy for them. The writers are the ones who have destroyed the possibility of that sympathy, so they should be honest about it in how they write the conclusion of this story. I wonder if they even realize what they've done - I don't think they do. There's clearly a story they want to tell, but it's not the one that they're telling. To tell that story would require a great deal of rewriting of the Cylons. The lack of advance planning is really showing now - they should never have attempted to tell a story this complicated completely on the fly.
    If any show ever required a downer ending, this one is it. If the Cylon race doesn't end up completely exterminated for all time, it will render the harsh moral tone of the series nothing more than pompous twaddle. For the good of BSG, all Cylons must die! (Sorry Sam, you too. :()
    They've pulled that bit one time too many and at this point, it's cheap melodramatics. I kind of cringed/sneered at it, to be honest.
    Yup.

    BSG = Show worth watching for some of the characters, but the overall story is clumsy and sometimes painful to endure to get back to the good character moments.

    Lost = Show worth watching for many of the characters and the overall story is great, too, so there are no dead periods where characters you don't give a flip about are on the screen and/or people are yakking about plot elements that really should have been dramatized, so that you are tempted to hit the fast-forward button just to get to the good stuff.

    Why settle for one thing when you can get the whole package? I know Lost sets a very high standard for TV shows, but the standard exists and it's silly to ignore it out of some misguided loyalty to what is, after all, just a silly TV show about killer robots in space. :rommie:
     
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  9. Ayelbourne

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    Funny, that the show is still the same though, isn't it? ;)
    Why the frak does it have to be both all the time??
    The plot is developed as long as it serves the development of the characters, nothing more. It's got a lower prioritiy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, as it is simply a different school of thought.
    I could care less about the plot as long as I get great character moments delivered by great actors.
    Its just that lately, everyone and their mother is all about Plot, Plot Plot and some more Plot. You know, like those annoying children at the backseat of a car yelling "Are we there yet?" all the time.
    Just chill and have some faith, for fraks sake. RDM is a talented and expierienced writer, surrounded by a great cast and crew, which is why I fully trust them to wrap everything up nicely in the finale.
    Until then, I'm gonna enjoy those last calm and character centric episodes for what they are. Or, to be precise, I DID enjoy them.

    A soap is just bad and unimaginative characterdrama, mainly focussing on love-relationships between extremely cliched characters.
    BSG hasn't done that. I admit, it came quite close with the quadrangle of doom, but that stopped pretty quickly.
     
  10. Kchunda

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    Voted Average. Set up, set up, set up. Was expecting this because I didn't think the final pieces were in place yet. Looks like we're closer, but I bet next week is another hour of 90 - 95% set up, 10 - 5% reveal/action. . .
     
  11. Admiral Buzzkill

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    It's becoming clear that "filler" means "anything besides hitting plot points." In other words, filler = most of what makes fiction worth the time to absorb it.
     
  12. Gregsmack

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    I truly wish that one day there could be a forum in which a thread dedicated to a specific episode can maintain thoughtful discussion of said episode without devolving into juvenile arguments about what is 'filler' or 'not filler' -- whatever the fuck 'filler' means in the first place. Is this really the only response some people have to these episodes?
     
  13. Rii

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    Yeah, slapping doesn't really seem like Kara's style, I guess she has changed. :lol:
     
  14. DarthPipes

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    Temis, I have to say that a lot of your rants the last few weeks have been dead on. I love BSG but the lack of pre-planning the storyline has hurt the show a lot. Agreed too about the Adama hysterics. He's played the drama queen too many times with his crying in order for it to be effective. This past season has been Adama curling up into a ball and sobbing.

    BSG could have learned a lot from Lost. It took Lost quite a while but it's getting stronger as it goes on and I can definitely see the writers had a plan all along. Unlike the Cylons and especially unlike the BSG writing staff. They had themes they wanted to explore with BSG. God, war, genocide, religion, torture, survival, etc. But the long-term planning has been simply awful. Once they started exploring the Cylons in detail, they completely fell apart as characters. The writers never knew what the hell the Cylons wanted to be and their "plan" constantly shifted. Let's destroy humanity. No, let's rule humanity. Frak that, let's go to Earth! Frak that, let's wipe em all out!!!
     
  15. Gregsmack

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    I was thinking the same thing. But if she flat out clocked the guy it probably would have come off more funny than anything. Plus, I figure the slap is more to shame him than anything -- although that in itself is slightly odd for someone like Kara, who only 10 minutes before seemed to get a slight kick out of urinating (and wiping! :lol:) in the open.
     
  16. WeAreTheBorg

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    I think slapping conveys a much deeper emotional pain than just punching somebody, which conveys being pissed off in the moment and nothing more.
     
  17. arch101

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    At least we didn't get a Ferengi show 3 eps from the end. What a boat anchor THAT was.
     
  18. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    The character beats worked so much better for me here than in the previous episode with Starbuck and her hallucinatory father. Hell, I even liked the Starbuck on the can moment. Any moment with Baltar in the head is just pure gold.

    My favorite line: "Destiny... I've had it up to hear with destiny. What has destiny got us? The ass-end of nowhere."
     
  19. pookha

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    i am getting the feeling she resurrected wherever the five did.
    and somehow cavill came across some info that led him to it first.
    so when she arrived there he programmed her to lead everyone to the dead planet.
     
  20. Robert Maxwell

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    That's exactly what I thought when I saw it. She'll punch someone to prove she's tougher, that she's pissed, etc. But I think she was deeply hurt by Baltar outing her, and the slap was meant to convey that. She opened up to him despite their history and he used it to score a religious point. She had a right to be upset and hurt, for sure, not simply angry.