Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Feb 27, 2009.
Roddenberry is the lyricist, then?
Apologies if someone else already posted this, but honestly I'm just too tired to look through the whole thread. But didn't the recording of her father that Starbuck got from Helo say it was recorded "at the Opera House" or something like that?
It did, good sir, it did.
I can't say what prompted the feeling, but when my roommate and I were watching the episode, things went somewhat like this:
[We're both sitting comfortably, staring at the screen]
SLICK: The point is to bring a little grace and beauty to an otherwise ugly and brutal existence.
ME [still staring at the screen]: That's both Starbuck's dad and Daniel, isn't it?
MY ROOMMATE [also staring at the screen]: Yup.
^Also, the writers were very clearly placing Hera in parallel with Starbuck. Hera drew the stars. Starbuck remembered the song. Both are separated from their parents by different means. In addition, Boomer shared a projection with Tyrol, a Cylon. Hybrids navigate the basestars. Hybrids are see things and feel things that others cannot, just like Hera and Starbuck. The implication is that both Hera and Starbuck are also hybrids, which makes perfect sense.
Hera's parents are Helo (human) and Athena (Cylon). By process of deduction, we know that no member of the final Five can be Starbuck's father. We know her mother is human. So, we're left with the 8 models. Unless one of the existing males (Cavil, Leoben, Doral, Simon) is her father, we're left with Daniel, one (or more) of which somehow survived Cavil's actions.
Well I only caught up with the show on DVD 6 months ago and I had been (mis)informed before I started watching it that it was planned out as a five season story. However, I began to doubt that when all the Final Five stuff popped up in season three, and Crossroads Part 2 made it blatantly apparent that they were making it up as they went. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment though, and Crossroads Part 2 was frakking EPIC!
Peacemaker, I think you're on the right track overall. A few comments
I'm just guessing, but I think the virtuals are from 2 iterations previous to Kobol (1 previous to the ruined planet). Also, the Earth that they found may not be our Earth. I'm guessing that the real Earth is where the music map is pointing them too and that's part of the big twist.
Evidence? Well, the head people (or person at least) wrote the song that is calling, presumably, their children home. So, that implies that the music map destination plays a parental role over the final five (and perhaps their cohorts on that planet but they're all dead). Therefore, the ruined planet is a colony of the real Earth, which is the music map destination.
I sort of agree here and sort of disagree. Logically, that's what his approach should be. Let them be and focus himself more positively. However, that's clearly not the mental place he's in. He harbors a lot of anger against both the Final Five and the humans. And, guess what, they'll be in the same place at the same time.
However, I've stated for awhile that one of the potential solutions is to just give him and his followers the advanced, non-human bodies that they want (assuming that the Final Five have the technology which sounds reasonable). If the Final Five agree to that, they'd be buying peace which was their MO before. Of course, that only worked in the short run. However, that might be moot because . . .
Agree. But, come on, I know you're dying to call it Terra! Actually, the ruined planet they came across might actually be the Earth 2/Terra and we've yet to see the real Earth. That was a theory before and I'm thinking the music map fits in with that.
I think the nature of that place will be more of a twist than just a 13th tribe outpost. It'll have more shock value than that I think. Afterall, they're saving it for the series finale. I'm thinking it'll be Earth, the real one this time.
I think we'll get our epic battle but I don't think we'll get the interference. Whatever the destination is, I think it'll be uninhabited except for the virtual people/person. Having an inhabited planet, even by humans or cylons, seems to go against the grain of the series. I'm thinking we'll just get the head people (or person) who originated from the music map destination. They/it seem to be powerless to influence events beyond suggestion and, of course, the musical call.
The ending, Galactica defends the habitable but currently uninhabited planet against Cavils forces. All ships end up destroyed or too weakened for space flight and the colonists settle on the planet for a strictly planet bound existence. They however have a framework for future legends based on resurrection, life after death, a spiritual plane, god like beings, etc.
^ I like where this is headed. The unanswered question (among many for me) is: who are the Lords of Kobol? What happened to them? We know what happened to their children, the 12 tribes, and their children's children, the 13th and the cylons. But we don't know what happened to the parents.
Was reading the wiki: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Hybrid_utterances
No, that really was Earth they found, and it really is dead. My take on the song map... it's calling them to the Opera House.
When Cavil was interogating Ellen he mentioned another colony, one where Ellen's equipment was still housed. Presumably this is the facility where the FF built their models 1-8. Let's call the planet "Terra". I think the Opera House is a metaphor for this facility. The colony planet is where humans and Cylons will live together at last, a blended people, as "Terrans". Roslin's vision seems to foretell this as Hera is embraced by Six (representing the Cylons) and Baltar (representing the humans), followed by all three walking through a door into the unknown future.
After seeing the episode a second time, I would bump my initial "above average" vote to "excellent." There were a lot of little details that I missed the first time that added a lot to the story.
I've come to the conclusion that someone who says "nothing happened" in this episode, even in the first 40 minutes, must have ADD. Characters where being positioned for the story climax - it's just that the writers had something Jane Epenson lacks - subtlety.
If anyone had told me when the miniseries aired that one of my favorite all-time scenes on Battlestar Galactica would be behind a piano, I would have lost a lot of money.
It could be, we shall see. Right now, we just don't know for sure.
This is also a good theory.
I haven't seen anyone else bring it up, so I will: what was up with Roslin's incredibly icy tone towards the Chief? Did she just not want to get in the middle of yet another "internal Cylon matter" and took offense to Tyrol even asking? Or was it something else? Just seemed a bit strange for her. I wouldn't want to be Joe Colonial, trying to strike up a conversation with her these days. Ouch.
Not a great episode. But bloody damn good near the end. Now I hate Boomer.
I don't get the impending feeling that we are 3 episodes away from the end. I felt a bit more should be going on after last weeks slow episode. You could have put both that and this episode together to make something with a real punch.
Good for you.
My guess is that she's tired and dying. She gave her last political breaths fighting off Zarek's coup, but she still can't find a way off the merry-go-round of colonial politics.
Normally as a Brit I watch the eps early online, but I had to wait for the Sky 1 showing tonight this week.
Just finished, I voted "above average"
Enjoyable enough. And as I can't be arsed reading through 8 ages on here, what happened to the piano player? He seemed to vanish when the Final Four showed up, was he imagined by Starbuck?
Yup. Head-Dad. . .
I'm really looking fwd to finding out. Is "the one reborn" a reference to the 13th tribe, since it was reborn in the form of colonial skinjobs? Or are we talking about Hybrids? Is Cavil the "reborn" version of the Lord on Kobol who believed himself above the other 12?
I feel like I need a checklist!
So the lords of Kobol where the first incarnation of Humans like us today? And did they originate from Earth and settled on Kobol where they evolved into a higher plain of existence? Are these the head people?
Or, possibly, the Lords of Kobol were Cylons who created humans who rebelled and killed them and then created their own cylons.
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