Battlestar Galactica 4x16: "Deadlock"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Feb 20, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

  1. Excellent

    7.1%
  2. Above Average

    26.4%
  3. Average

    46.7%
  4. Below Average

    14.2%
  5. Poor

    5.7%
  1. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

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    Above average, but below the mark of the rest of the season. A lot of things being moved around for the next round of episodes.

    I am worried about what Jane Espenson will do on Caprica. I haven't been impressed by any of her scripts except for "Dirty Hands," and that was co-written with another writer.

    I could swear that I saw Bear McCreary in the background of one shot in Joe's Bar, though. Anyone else see that?
     
  2. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Admiral Premium Member

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    On any other show, this probably would have been an average, and I would feel generous. But this Battlestar Galactica, the final 5 episodes of the series, and after having to watch last week's episode a few times, I'm not feeling generous after this one. For that reason I've giving this episode a:

    Below Average

    What the heck. I felt nothing from this show tonight. Last week had so many revelations, so much confusion (No I'm not getting an All Along the Watchtower Moment), and so much plot into one episode. This episode should have maybe retold that story in a simpler way. The final five cylons reunite. The creators pretty much of the current race and all they can come up with are arguments and scenes that reminded me too much of "Tigh me Up, Tight me Down." So I ask again. Why? Why have this episode right here in this spot with now 4 episodes to go and 5 hours to wrap up everything. Why do I go into a show excited to learn what new revelations will come because we're in the nitty gritty and then come out feeling empty and unfulfilled for this week. Why Now?

    There were some good moments, like the Head Six returning letting me know that the writers haven't forgotten how integral this part is to the overall landscape of the show (It's been there since 33 for heaven sake). I also liked the stuff with Adama and his feeling that humanity is slowly slipping away, and Baltar made an excellent point. I also liked Baltar's storyline even though it wasn't much to write home about either.

    Still, at this stage in the game, they could have done a lot better. I'm disappointed, almost sad really, that the expectation I was hoping for in this episode was for naught. Oh well. Looking forward to next week which looks really starbuck heavy. All I can say to that is it's about damn time. :(
     
  3. Gregsmack

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    No reason to post if I'm not going to give any real thoughts, but I just wanted to say that I found this week to be rather slow and I am almost completely certain it had to do with the fact that my friends and I watched Rambo directly before the episode.

    Will soon perform a re-watch, then vote and comment.
     
  4. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Einstein On The Beach had more action than this. :p
     
  5. trekkier

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    average as well. not as good as the previous 2 eps, but still some good scenes. most notably the scene where caprica six looses the baby =(
     
  6. Corran Horn

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    I'm glad they didn't forget Ellen Tigh is a schizo. Great drama this week between her and Six.
     
  7. Chess Piece Face

    Chess Piece Face Commodore Commodore

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    What a stupid episode. Last week ellen is totally cool with tigh poisoing her-this week she is a completely different person. What a waste of precious time at the end of the show.
     
  8. DontFeedPhil

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    1. Yay! Ellen is back.
    2. Boo! Boomer is back!
    3. Adama watches some welding.
    4. Ellen finds out about Caprica Six's baby daddy
    5. Adama watches some welding.
    6. Baltar's Bimbo Brigaide and the Case of Natural Selection
    7. Adama watches some more welding.
    8. Caprica Six miscarries. Hilarity does not ensue.
    9. Adama watches some welding.

    There I edited CommanderTrip's comments to be more accurate...
    I pretty much feel the way everyone else feels about this filler episode. And a little disappointing that they are giving us filler in the lat 5 episodes...
    I did like all the Giaus bits tho. Pretty much everything he did or said in the beginning blew up on him to comedic effect...
    I think they are setting up the fact that Humans and Cylons are going to have to merge to survive...Thats pretty clear at this point aint it?
     
  9. ialfan

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    Sadly average. I just can't picture Tryol voting to leave the fleet and that's the least of this episode's problems. Ellen is a total jealous b*tch and I can't help but feel nothing happened.

    That said it's still BSG. Nothing happening is entertaining if it's BSG just not with only four episodes left! I don't have a problem with Jane Espenson. I loved "The Passage" and liked "Dirty Hands". "Escape Velocity" is a guilty pleasure of mine and "The Hub" was excellent. The webisodes were decent enough but this episode just feel flat for me.
     
  10. Harvey

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    Hey, that WAS Bear McCreary in the background in Joe's Bar. I knew it.
     
  11. Agent Richard07

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    I knew going in that things would slow down a bit, which is why I'm not disappointed. I wasn't expecting more Oath/Blood on the Scales or anything like that.
     
  12. bigdaddy

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    Also a few days/weeks after Adama last his ship for several hours do you really think Adama would give guns to Baltar?!

    BALTAR OF ALL PEOPLE?!?!

    Almost fell over.
     
  13. startrekwatcher

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    The problem I'm seeing developing with these last ten episodes is the writers know what the big threads are that have to be addressed before the show is over and apparently they think they won't fill out all the episode slots so they are stretching the season out. It definitely has that feel. The strange thing is the show should have the feel of having too much ground to cover and wondering if they will get to it all. It seemed they said okay let's stick in a two part mutiny episode then we'll do one big Cylon mythology episode and then in two weeks we will reveal what happened to Starbuck etc etc. Now what do we stick in between all that stuff.

    The season for me has lacked a sense of clear vision and purpose driving the series to its inevitale conclusion. It has felt aimless at times with no clear sense of the arc for a lot of the characters. And that is too bad because this season and the last one hinted at several storylines that seemed to disappear and didn't get off the ground.
     
  14. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    Which is completely consistent with the inconsistency that is Ellen Tigh. Humans and Cylons in the nuBSG universe are very much like humans in real life; filled with contradictions, weaknesses, and are never the same moment to moment. Ellen Tigh being the most inconsistent of them all. Ah, it's good to have Ellen back ain't it?
     
  15. Starwind

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    Voted average. It wouldn't have got that far up if not for the reurn of HeadSix. She always makes it that much more interesting. Frankly, Baltar was starting to get rather boring without her.
     
  16. -Brett-

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    I don't expect much from this show, but holy shit! This was just terrible, even by my already low standards for the show. Admittedly, I don't watch much TV these days, but this was probably the worst hour of television I've seen since Enterprise went off the air. And yes, I did watch Atlantis regularly until it trudged it's way to a mediocre finish (matching the rest of the show). Completely god-awful. I'm trying to think of a single redeeming quality of this episode, but nothing's coming.

    I'd really be morbidly curious to know what was going through the heads of Ron Moore and everyone else involved that they could possibly think this was going to be an worthwhile hour of television.

    I voted poor.
     
  17. Gep Malakai

    Gep Malakai Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I really enjoyed this one. The show finally got back to doing what it does best, which is character drama. They can stuff all the exposition in the world into an episode, like last week, but it will never hold up to Tigh and Adama in a room, drunk, shooting the breeze about life.
     
  18. Kaijufan

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    Yeah that seemed really out of character for him, I guess they just needed him to vote for leaving the fleet since that's really all he did in this episode.

    I went with above average. Not as crazy awesome as the last few episodes, but I still found it pretty enjoyable. Seeing Ellen's crazy antics again was a lot of fun, especially now that she knows she's a Cylon.

    Adama watching the crew goo up the ship seemed a little overused in this episode, I guess they built that big set and had to get as much use out of it as possible. I do feel sorry for him though, having the Galactica become part Cylon really seems to be eating him up on the inside.

    Also Baltar's storyline was fun.
     
  19. T'Pers0n

    T'Pers0n Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Below Average. Would have voted poor if Michael Hogan wasn't so good in this.

    As far as memory serves, I never hated Ellen like so many others did. But, damn. This Ellen was a horrible caricature S1/S2 Ellen, and completely opposite of last week's Ellen. She made the 8 and knows she programmed in this stupid 'need love' directive. Then, she basically talks Six into a miscarriage. Imagine if Boomer had been with Ellen instead of in the brig. She sure as shit would be regretting her decision to leave Cavil.

    Tyrol, out of nowhere, wants to leave the fleet. He's still in the middle of a job. It's like there are two Galens on the ship. One's been stuck in the engine room for the past 3 episodes. All the while, the other one has been hanging out in sick bay asking, "are we there yet?"

    Adama giving Baltar guns? Are you kidding me? That was one of the worst written character choices since they made Baltar give Gina a nuclear warhead. I love Baltar with guns. But, what the hell?

    How many more times do we need to see Adama walking around looking at support beams? How many more times do we need to see Adama drinking booze and popping pills? How many more? We get it. Move on. The Ellen interrogation/flask scene was a nice touch, and got the point across.

    Humans and and Cylons need eachother. Hera is the shape of things to come. We've gotten this since season 2. Let's move on.

    Cavil was right. Cut her head open. Let's kill all these people and be done with it.


    Guess I'm done venting...for the moment. The cylon pictures on the wall were a great touch. Mary played her short scenes very well. Tigh was amazing (democracy doesn't matter because he doesn't remember it). Six piloting a heavy raider on CAP was nice. But, a few good moments just can't hold an episode together.
     
  20. davejames

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    I thought she did about as good a job as she could do with the plot she was given. The dialogue was strong, there was a lot of great character stuff, and it was nice to see a little humor injected into the show again (particularly in Baltar's scenes).

    Obviously there wasn't a lot of action or new plot developments this week, but I'm sure that was due more to Moore than Espensen, since he's the one laying all this stuff out.
     

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