Battlestar Galactica 4x15: "No Exit"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Feb 13, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

  1. Excellent

    64.8%
  2. Above Average

    26.6%
  3. Average

    5.1%
  4. Below Average

    3.1%
  5. Poor

    0.4%
  1. zengoth

    zengoth Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    nice payoff - sad there were no flashbacks - but the performances sold it to me.

    the joy of a series like this is being able to go back and watch the entire story again knowing what i know now.

    the only question remains for me - what will the last scene of the series be?
    a scene in the future to show where humanity is going,
    or a scene in the past, showing the seed that started it all
     
  2. RobertScorpio

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    Bingo!
     
  3. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Hold still, Jim.
    The final episodes will be a massive battle in which practically everyone destroys themselves, unable to overcome their violent natures. Galactica and most of the fleet will be destroyed, along with what remains of the Cylon fleet.

    In the end, only a handful of our characters will survive. Take your pick. I'll go with Apollo, Starbuck, Tigh, Baltar, and Six. With nothing but a barren wasteland for Earth and bodies everywhere, this small band of survivors decides to take the only remaining spacefaring ship - probably Colonial One - and head out for 'the Colony' (the exact location of which is still a mystery) to warn them about the dangers of creating subservient beings, and because they have no other home left to return to.

    All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.
     
  4. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Hold still, Jim.
    You also pointed out that the name "Anastasia" (as in Dualla) means "one who shoots self in head." Or was that "resurrection"?

    :p
     
  5. The Evil Dead

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    I voted Below Average.

    I like the backstory but I've seen History Channel docs that featured more dynamic storytelling than this episode. Battlestar Galactica can do way better than this. I hope we actually get to see some of this stuff that was talked about in The Plan.

    Anyway, now that Expoistion Theater is over, hopefully we can get down to brass tacks. I'm anxious to see the....final five episodes. Oof, I stink.
     
  6. MPH

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    Was the colony not Earth? Kinda confused about this.
     
  7. Rii

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    Average. The exposition was handled reasonably well, particularly on the John/Ellen side, but it was still a half-hour of exposition on a subject about which I do not particularly care.

    I'm surprised Starbuck didn't give the specialist a piece of her mind at some point there. :lol:
     
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    No, they are different planets. The 'colony' was a sort of way station that was apparently used by Ellen and company to continue their work. It's not Earth.
     
  9. Sharr Khan

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    For all we know it might not even by a planet.

    Sharr
     
  10. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Hold still, Jim.
    It sounds like a 'place' (whatever that means) where the initial work was done by the Final Five to create the skinjobs for the Centurions. Apparently, that's where the Final Five left their machinery. (For resurrection? For skinjob creation? For both?)

    I'm guessing that there are still some Centurions and skinjobs back there. Whether or not we ever see this place during the series proper is anybody's guess. In my finale sequence above, it's the next 'Earth' for this ragtag fleet to search for.
     
  11. doubleohfive

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    Daniel = Lee Adama.
     
  12. SalvorHardin

    SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Nah, Daniel is this guy

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    One survived, escaped and got a sex change into the female Starbuck we now know.
    Mystery solved.
     
  13. Ensign_Redshirt

    Ensign_Redshirt Commodore Commodore

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    So, William Adama ist not really his biological father?

    I have always been very skeptical about theories regarding any of the Adamas being a Cylon. Mainly because the Adamas have either living relatives or a very detailed family history. Lee Adama is the son of William Adama and William Adama is the son of Joseph Adama (a well-known public figure back in the Colonies). Their background history is pretty much verified.

    You'll have to retcon a lot to make this work. It would require that one of the Adamas has "adopted" and raised a Cylon at one point. Either that or the respective "Adama Cylon" was an actual person once and got replaced by a Cylon replica.
     
  14. Verteron

    Verteron Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Surely because they believe humans were created in the image of the "one true God" and therefore also wish to be closer to his image?
     
  15. Berg417448

    Berg417448 Commander Red Shirt

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    Anders knows what Daniel looks like so I think he would have mentioned it if it was Lee. For that matter, Cavil would also have recognized him and probably killed him off long ago like he did with the other #7 models!
     
  16. Ensign_Redshirt

    Ensign_Redshirt Commodore Commodore

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    It's Daniel Jackson! Time for a last-minute crossover with a special guest appearance by Michael Shanks!!
     
  17. Aragorn

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    Daniel Faraday.
     
  18. Peacemaker

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    One of these days, Cogley, you'll be able to quote somebody faithfully in both word and spirit. Today is not the day.

    What I stated was that one of the reasons Dualla could be the final Cylon was because in Greek the word "Anastasia" means "resurrection." Tell us, Sam, what does "anastasia" mean in Greek? Does it mean "resurrection?" According to my copy of BDAG, the standard lexicon for koine Greek, it means just that. Perhaps you can find us another definition. Go ahead, Sam, try.

    And did Dualla not embody all the hopes of humanity for resurrection on Earth? Were not her hopes dashed to the ground? Isn't that the very reason that she committed suicide? Why, Sam, I do believe that was the case.

    So, the only thing that was problematic in my analysis was the statement that her name was one of the reasons that she could be the final Cylon...and considering that Gina's surname name in Razor was old Gemenese for "resurrection," I'm not inclined to believe that it is a meaningless exercise to think that the ways Cylon's name themselves is without significance, and, therefore the names the writers sometimes give the characters is without significance.

    Why else, pray tell, Sam, in your most holy orthodox opinion, would John change his name from "John" to "Cavil?" What does Cavil mean if not to object, and what has John done is not object?

    The interesting thing about the name "John" is that it means "He will be gracious" in Hebrew,for it is a transliteration of the Hebrew name "Johanan." Part of it means "God" part means "will pity or show grace." This is the polar opposite of the character Cavil has become. He is merciless and pitiless. So, it makes perfect sense of the reason he rejected the name John and why he selected "Cavil." Indeed, it makes sense of what the Five were thinking when they named him John. They selected a name composed of the word YHWH...God, indicating belief in the one true God.

    Irony: Cavil has rejected belief in God but he has certainly played God in the way he has conducted his affairs. He's also the epitome, ironically, of the one mentioned in the Colonial Scriptures who rose up against the pantheonic gods, is he not? Here we have 13 models, 13 "gods," one of which rises up against the others and murders one of them. The cycle of time is perpetuated yet again on another level, repeating what was said of the gods on Kobol.

    Of course, the parallel to Daniel found in Dualla is worthy of being noted. Daniel was highly sensitive to the world around him. Dualla was much the same sort of character. The discovery of Earth as a lifeless husk of a world led her to kill herself, and the lifeless husk of "man" that is Cavil murdered Daniel. In a way, she repeated the actions of Athena, who threw herself down and died when the 13 colonies left Kobol. The planet was empty, and her sorrow drove her to that end. Ditto for Dualla. So, in a way, the cycle of time was repeated yet again.

    Now, while I'm inclined to believe Daniel is a new character that may well be introduced in the next few episodes who is either a disembodied mind (I'm not to inclined in that direction at present since Anders seemed to indicate that Tory, et.al. were seeing these Virtuals before the holocaust on Earth...so it's likely they are a something else) or Starbuck's father, I will say that I, for one, would find it infinitely hilarious if it turned out that Daniel is Dualla, that somehow, in his twisted mind, Cavil decided to teach Daniel a lesson all by himself,changed his gender by changing the genetic code,and then toyed with Daniel as Dualla the way he did with the others. I think would be the ultimate "WTF" twist to that whole issue. Do I think it likely? No. Do I think it possible? At this point...yes,insofar as the writers have shown they are highly unpredictable, and that would be just about the most unpredictable thing that could happen with respect to Daniel's identity.
     
  19. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Hold still, Jim.
    Dude, I was just giving you shit over your 'Dee is the Final Cylon' misfire.

    It happens to the best of us. Relax.

    And sometimes a name is just a name. ;)


    EDIT:

    Oh, and in answer to your question:

    Absolutely not.

    At least, not unless one was wearing rose-colored Peacemaker glasses while watching the show.

    I find your wispy interpretations of 'what's really going on' on BSG very poetic and charming, but seldom - if ever - has there been any validation of any of those things you think you see between the lines, either from RDM or anyone else.

    But I find it all very creative, nonetheless. If there was ever such a thing as a lawyer poet, I think you would be great. Just don't forget that you still need to meet your burden to win.
     
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  20. kipron

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    I'm gonna say Below Average.

    Kate Vernon was of course awesome. And I like all the new layers and twists to the story. But the way these were all introduced was far too expository for my tastes. The backstory with the missing 7, Boomer's turning against Cavil, Cavil's hatred of the `human form'..all seemed more random than revelatory.

    Not too fussed though. BSG is just a scifi show after all, like LOST or HEROES or STARGATE or VOYAGER. sometimes the drama takes a back seat to `plot'.

    Think I'll go watch Six Feet Under instead.