Battlestar Galactica 4x13: "The Oath"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Jan 30, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

  1. Excellent

    82.4%
  2. Above Average

    13.0%
  3. Average

    3.1%
  4. Below Average

    0.8%
  5. Poor

    0.8%
  1. Samson88B

    Samson88B Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    As I mentioned in another post, I thought Kara's actions were beleivable and I would have taken out Racetrack as well.:evil: From a acting and writing perspective, Gaeta's charactor was perfect. He made you sympathize with him and hate him all at the same time.

    The typical SCIFI spoilers, I was glad they showed what they did because I don't know if I could have made it till next week to get a idea of what was going to happened.
     
  2. Hyperspace05

    Hyperspace05 Commodore Commodore

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    Excellent. So say we all.
     
  3. davejames

    davejames Vice Admiral Admiral

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    DAMN, that was intense. And so many badass moments too-- Kara blowing away the guys on the hangar deck, the showdown in the CIC, Adama and Tigh kicking those guy's asses...

    What made the episode even better is how easy it was to understand and sympathize with the arguments the other side is making. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable integrating a bunch of Cylons into the fleet either.

    Of course, the mutineers' underlying ugliness, bigotry, and blatant disregard for innocent life pretty much gives away who's right and wrong in this.
     
  4. Vonstadt

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    Damn! I hit above average but I meant my vote to be excellant.

    Last week totally set the stage for tonight! This had the feel and tone of the first two seasons of nuBSG!

    God I loved it, the muitiny and the final stand with Tigh and Adama holding the bay as the raptor took off.

    No Way was the commander leaving his ship! And the punch to Marine for me was more "THIS IS MY FRAKKIN SHIP!"

    I thought Kara a bit too 'kill em all' I mean some are on the fence cant shoot everyone but I did understand her point of view by that time.

    Felix....oh man, I just love to hate this guy!

    Favorite line tonight "Nice to see you again Chief" or something like that :)

    Next week is gonna rock! I just hope Tight didnt buy it.

    Vons.
     
  5. Brent

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    I love how Adama and Tigh are still tight, even though he's a Cylon, Adama is now treating him just like the old days, love it. What an increadible frienship.
     
  6. Vonstadt

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    I agree, to Bill its like cylon or no cylon that is Saul!

    My Second in command

    My best Friend

    that last line before the grenade went off came across so well!

    "Its been an honor to serve with you"

    God EJO can act :)
     
  7. Devnull

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    Excellent, what an ep :eek:


    I don't understand why she didn't kill them all. Fuck them in their stupid asses.



    Looked like a flashbang to me, not an type of explosive or incendiary grenade. They're fine for now.


    I hope Roslin orders the raptor to destroy colonial one.
     
  8. BenRoethig

    BenRoethig Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Which is ironic because he so heartlessly betrayed Hoshi.

    There needs to be a Holy FRAK! category created for this episode alone.
     
  9. PurpleBuddha

    PurpleBuddha Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I think it would be outstanding if they could find a way near the end to make Felix a Cylon too. Can't imagine how his character would handle that.
     
  10. Samuel T. Cogley

    Samuel T. Cogley Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Best frakking show on television. That is all.
     
  11. backstept

    backstept Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    fan-frakkin-tastic!!!!
     
  12. Cyke101

    Cyke101 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Frankly, while I'm clearly with the Adamas here, I would've liked to have seen a more even divide amongst the major cast. If they were split down the line, perhaps the Zarek/Gaeta side would seem more sympathetic and thus the story would be more drama-driven. Yes, shades of Marvel's Civil War because it IS BSG's Civil War.

    Still, despite that preference of mine, I voted this episode at the top of the heap.
     
  13. nx1701g

    nx1701g Admiral Admiral

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    What I'm really surprised about is Gaeta said that the Senior Staff was being taken to the Brig and the only two people we saw escorted out were Adama and Tigh.
     
  14. Kelso

    Kelso Vice Admiral Admiral

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    He told the marines to lock-up the senior staff somewhere else. I forget where.
     
  15. Yoda

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    Yeah, no shit. What is it with some fucking people? I don't think I'm going to bother looking at this forum again until the final episode airs.

    Anyway. This episode was frakking intense. The mutiny was difficult to watch (in a good way). One of the best of the series.
     
  16. nx1701g

    nx1701g Admiral Admiral

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    I could have sworn he said in the Brig - which makes sense though because that was where they took Helo.

    What surprises me is that they didn't take on Cylon tactics either. They should have headed to the Damage Control Station and Auxiliary Fire Control like the Centurions attempted in Season 2 when they invaded.
     
  17. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Admiral Premium Member

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    One of the best episodes of the season and probably series. So much intensity and finally we're back to the cast being a lot more active. It was great to see some action with EJO and now McDonnall and finally re-emerged to remind me of why I liked Roslin in the first two seasons. I wasn't sure if I was going to like the Mutiny story from last week, but damn this is awesome. I too love what they've done with Gaeta in the last few episodes and can't wait till next week to see what happens next.

    Excellent
     
  18. Vonstadt

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    Is it Next Friday yet???
     
  19. Aragorn

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    Who was the civilian guy with Racetrack who tried to capture Lee? I remember not liking him, but don't remember who he is. Though if I were Starbuck, I would've shot him through the throat so that it'd take him a while to die.

    Sort of like how Gaeta should have his three remaining limbs broken off before his death.
     
  20. BigPharaoh

    BigPharaoh Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Go gaeta! I hope the rebellion is successful so the fleet can be run in a truly participatory style instead of being run by a cabal of a few insiders who don’t feel the need to consult or even explain themselves to the people. Kinda ironic that in the first and second seasons, Roslin insisted on a civilian government so that just such a thing would not happen. Now, she all but rules as a queen, then in a time of turmoil she takes a vacation and now returns and thinks she deserves to lead Very distasteful.. Shes a lot more likeable and effective when she does explain herself, like in season 2 when she convinced much of the fleet to go with her to kobol, or in the first half of season 4 when she talked to the qorum about the alliance with the cylons. That’s why her radio address in this episode was the most pragmatic and cunning thing she could do-she is a great politician.

    One of the things I love about this show is that events are not forgotten; their impact is felt after they have played out, and no characters have a reset button. That’s why 4 years on, we still have anger and grief over the fall of the twelve colonies. Those emotions had to be suppressed so that the fleet go on, but suppressing their emotions and being physically cooped-up in their ships finally got to be too much. The disappointment of earth removed their motivation to keep everything bottled up and stay the course, and having an alliance with cylons shoved their throats was the last straw. Now everyone is just saying “frak it” and letting everything out. The catharsis is great stuff. The cylons seem to have never really confronted the magnitude of their crime (destroying the colonies) was; hopefully when they are confronted with the humans rage they will finally feel some guilt. At this point, they seem to feel that the genocide was a mistake, but see it as more of just a wrong turn in their philosophic quest then a great moral sin. Frakkin machines!
     
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