Battlestar Galactica 4x13: "The Oath"

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Agent Richard07, Jan 30, 2009.

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Grade the episode...

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  1. Kaijufan

    Kaijufan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    A truly intense episode of the show, easily one of the best of the season.

    That would be really awesome, though I assume that Olmos' and McDonnell's contracts require them to get top billing.
     
  2. scotthm

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    Who do you think flew the raptor over from the basestar? It was an Eight from over there.

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  3. nx1701g

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    I'm wondering if - as the promo said - Tigh really is dead. That could explain why the Cylons are so willing to go back to war and let Roslin essentially be in command.
     
  4. Robert Maxwell

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    Excellent! Except for that damned "to be continued" at the end... ;)

    I don't think that Eight was Athena, because none of the other captured Cylons were there. I suspect they are still locked up, since we haven't seen them get out.

    I'm glad they acknowledged that much of Gaeta's force consisted of Pegasus survivors. It makes sense in a lot of ways. Too bad Laird was brought back just to get wrenched by Tom Zarek, though. :( But bringing back memories of the Pegasus arc can only be a good thing, in my opinion.

    Good to finally see Laura get off her ass and do something again. Seems like she needed an immediate crisis to stoke her sense of urgency.

    The whole episode was very good, and I liked that the time was noted at intervals. Will they be calling this the "Four-Hour Revolution"? Heh.

    The saddest thing about all of this is that nobody wants to be working with the Cylons, yet the Gaeta/Zarek coup seems to work on the assumption that their interests have been sold out by Roslin/Adama. It was a practical decision, and in any case, they aren't allied with the entire Cylon race, just a group of rebels on an undermanned, heavily-damaged, human-occupied baseship. Not exactly a lethal threat, but it would be stupid of the Colonials not to take advantage of what the Cylons are offering.

    Maybe next week we'll get to see who is de facto leading the rebels nowadays, since Natalie and D'Anna are both out of the picture. Kind of funny that Our Heroes will need the help of Cylon rebels to put down a rebellion of their own.
     
  5. startrekwatcher

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    I was lamenting that last week's episode was a tad underwhelmig especially for an episode in the final ten episode stretch of the series(which I still assert is the case even moreso after this outing) but this episode thankfully righted that problem quite nicely. It wasn't quite an excellent but given the other option is Above average I elected to vote Excellent in the poll.

    It definitely was an exciting pulse-pounding event episode that hopefully means from here on out we will be treated to a series of episodes that will be as exciting and finally start pulling the series' outstanding threads together. It had the feel of the writers gearing up and pulling out all the stops. If they can capitalize on this I predict we are in for a real treat.

    The mutiny itself was wonderfully done. I appreciated the various details. The comm officer is the perfect position to be in on a ship. And while I've been underwhelmed by Baltar's cult it did cough up the contribution of providing the wireless comm for Roslin to deliver her plea to the fleet and you had to love the look on Gaeta's face when Roslin's voice takes over the comm line.

    I loved seeing the two old codgers kick the marines' asses quite handily. It was just one of several stand-up and cheer moments along with Roslin re-emerging when so much was on the line. She wasn't about to stand around. I also loved the moment Starbuck comes to save Lee in the hangar bay. For once, her craziness was being channeled in a worthwhile way towards the mutineers rather than into some melodramatic angst.

    For a minute, I thought Baltar was calling Gaeta to make a deal--his life for ratting out Adama, Roslin et al. Afterall, in an earlier scene he was so consumed by concern for his well-being, rightly so given his collaboration on New Caprica with the Cylons, that he could care less about his followers and was just ready to get the hell out of there.
     
  6. Agent Richard07

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    One other thing... Last week I started a thread saying that I was disappointed that they didn't milk the Earth plot. Earth was the promised land for me, the viewer, just as much as it was for the characters and I felt let down because I didn't get what I was expecting. Well, now that I'm over it and can think back, it looks like I was taken on the same ride that the characters were taken on. To the writers of BSG... Good one guys.
     
  7. DeafPoet

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    Yeah that's what I figured it logically must be. I thought she was wearing a Viper flight suit though. I'm probably just smoking crack.
     
  8. nx1701g

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    ^ It looked like one of the Cylon flight suits to me.

    From the promo it kinda looked like Tory might be leading the Cylons.
     
  9. Agent Richard07

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    I was thinking about The Evil Dead's post too as I was watching. The idea of them pulling something like that did seem kind of cool.
     
  10. Lindley

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    Babylon 5's "Severed Dreams" comes pretty close, except that the protagonists were the "rebels" and none of the recurring characters fought on the other side.

    *This* is the type of dark I like. Exciting dark, not sulky dark.
     
  11. Darth_Pinche

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    So who is going to bring Adama his coffee from now on?


    Seriously though, a simply amazing episode and I really believe they are turning the show on its head and anything can happen. What a ride to the finish!!
     
  12. Lindley

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    Incidentally, would you folks mind spoiler-coding anything from next week's promo? Some of us don't watch those.
     
  13. Robert Maxwell

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    I was kinda thinking the same thing. The Final Five are quite revered by the other Cylons, and she's the only one to truly embrace her Cylon nature, so she's in a good position to fill the void. I wonder how she'll feel about the upheaval in the fleet, though. She seemed to stop caring about the affairs of humans once she got used to the idea of being a Cylon.
     
  14. bigdaddy

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    No "OMG!" choice?

    Wow! I think several main characters will be dead in the next episode or the one after!
     
  15. Nobody

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    Not really, initial reports from the Pegasus survey crew suggested the planet was only inhabitable in a small strip with little plant or wildlife. Not a real positive there. Baltar didn't even pretend to study the likelihood of the Cylons discovering the planet. The explosion of the nuke (which Baltar gave to Gina) should've prompted a review of internal security (which Baltar stopped, 'cause he knew how it came to be) but also re-examine the security of settling (increase chance of the cylons finding them, is it worth it?). The decision to settle was more about incompetence, and could've been avoided. So, I think 20/20 hindsight is a misinterpretation of the events that happened on screen (and some rose-colored glasses view of Dr. Baltar).


    As to the actual episode -- intense, intense, intense. More of an adrenaline rush then "Sometimes a Great Notion", another intense episode but on a character-level scale. When all is said in done, this might rank in my top 10, if the second part holds up (I always rank two-parters together in my little mind).



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  16. USS Gettysburg

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    I can't believe on a cliffhanger like that they release a promo like that. Idiots... I mean if I hadn't seen that I'd have been thinking of nothing else besides
    whether Adama was dead?
     
  17. MeanJoePhaser

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    One thing that smacked of cliche was Starbuck discovering shit was up and saving the damn day (or Lee, and them saving Roslyn...same difference). Admittedly, there wouldn't be much of a plot then.

    Poor Laird, off to see his family.

    So the point of the cult chick witnessing Laird's murder was that Baltar had advanced knowledge that something was happening...but only used it to prepare to save his own ass. Damn if Baltar isn't in Dr. Smith mode. I MUST FLEE! Tyrol is the Robot then. And Lee is Will Robinson.

    "There will be no forgiveness!"

    But uh, forgiving half the Cylon models is okay...even though they have shown nothing but the capacity to turn on the humans again for their own interests (D'anna executing hostages comes to mind)
     
  18. Nobody

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    I'm more concerned about...

    Tigh. I hope he's not dead. :(


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  19. ialfan

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    It could have been Boomer who is supposed to have a big role in the last few episodes! :techman:
     
  20. nx1701g

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    I think it was an empty comment.
    1.) I don't see them revealing Tigh's death in a promo.
    2.) As Six said they need the Cylons as bargaining chips.