Battleship: Spoilers, Discuss, Yadda, Yadda, Yadda

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Trekker4747, May 19, 2012.

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Grade the movie:

  1. A+

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  2. A

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. A-

    2 vote(s)
    8.7%
  4. B+

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  5. B

    4 vote(s)
    17.4%
  6. B-

    2 vote(s)
    8.7%
  7. C+

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  8. C

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  9. C-

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. D

    2 vote(s)
    8.7%
  12. D-

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  13. FAIL!!!!!

    0 vote(s)
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  1. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

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    What the hell is "traditional" sci-fi, then? Avatar is science fiction through and through. On screen, I'd wager that most studio tentpoles of the last five years have been sci-fi.
     
  2. Admiral2

    Admiral2 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Are you drunk? How did they crash through skyscrapers in the middle of a work day and not kill people???

    And you're assuming it's a basic function and not a security feature. The key word here is "assume."

    Or it said "Trespassers will be shot," "Do not appraoch or you will be attacked, "To Serve Man," something similar for all we know. The facts we have indicate it was probably not something benign.


    Not if you need information and that's your only option.

    Dude, walking over to random stuff and touching it is how Humans evolved into tool-using animals. Read. A. BOOK.
     
  3. Star Wolf

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    I know the John Paul Jones should have taken gas turbine power and sent it to the sensors and the away team should not have left their ship without triquarters.
     
  4. The Wormhole

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    Got to say, I really enjoyed this movie. It was really fucking awesome! Sure, the plot's got a million cliches and there are some total WTF moments, but damn, it sure made for a fun afternoon.

    The whole assembling the veterans and taking out the WWII battleship museum sequence was excellent even if it made no sense at all. I also liked Lt. Hopper's developing friendship with Captain Nagata, cliched though it was. Their conversations about The Art of War were really funny.

    I could have done without the crybaby bridge officer. Seriously, I always find these kinds of guys annoying. I doubt someone who serves in the military would immediately freak out like that as soon as shit hits the fan.

    I laughed my ass off when it was revealed the aliens' weakness is exposure to sunlight. But I suppose that aliens such idiotic weakness is a common trope to the alien invasion stories going all the way back to War of the Worlds. Although the aliens themselves are kind of cool and a welcome departure from the beasts that have been passed off as aliens in recent years.

    I was disappointed Liam Neeson only really had a glorified cameo. The guy's a great actor and it would have been really cool to see him get in on the action.

    What was the point to Rihanna's line about "my father said they'd find us one day" in referance to the aliens? It just seemed to come completely out of the blue and served no relevance at all. It was like "Hey guys, we need something vague and cryptic for the trailers to make the movie seem interesting." "How about this?" "Okay, but how do we fit that into the movie." "I dunno. I guess I'll have to find a way to sandwhich it in somehow."

    Overall, an excellent movie, one of the best I've seen in a long time. Seriously, I don't remember the last time I walked out of a movie feeling that great about it.
     
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  5. Aeolusdallas

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    Avatar is with out a doubt Sci-Fi.
     
  6. Aeolusdallas

    Aeolusdallas Captain Captain

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    I am beginning to seriously doubt that you actually saw the movie.......

    Hong kong was an accident. Even the humans in the movie knew this. The highway attack clearly showed the balls avoiding civilians whenever possible.
     
  7. hyzmarca

    hyzmarca Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    A sane first contact protocol would be to establish communication before sending anyone anywhere near the alien ship.
     
  8. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Co-Founder of ISIS Moderator

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    I didn't find that implausible at all. In fact it makes perfect sense. If you come from a planet that gets less light from its star than Earth does from the Sun, of course you're not going to be used to bright sunlight. At least they came prepared for it with sun visors and tinting on their suits and windows.

    And it wasn't like Signs where water is like acid to the aliens so they inexplicably decide to come to a planet that's 75% covered in water and run around naked in the water vapor and wet plants. Or War of the Worlds where the aliens are super advanced but don't consider that there might be Earth microbes their bodies aren't prepared to deal with, so they run around naked again. At least these aliens were smart enough to wear environment suits that protected them from their particular weaknesses.
     
  9. Star Wolf

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    The Federation may have first contact protocols with first contact trained officers. I doubt US Navy destroyer squadrons have them.
     
  10. hyzmarca

    hyzmarca Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Probably not. But that's another reason it was stupid to send a destroyer squadron instead of someone from NASA.
     
  11. Star Wolf

    Star Wolf Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    An "accident" in one of the most densly popualted parts of the planet, which would cause the world's largest army to be tied down in disaster relief. Followed by the other ships landing near what would be the world's largest naval fleet and cutting it off and destroying the fleets land bases. Suddenly the accident can not be just an accident
     
  12. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Co-Founder of ISIS Moderator

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    [and before you say it, I'm going to make up some completely arbitrary rules to decide what is and isn't scifi, but those rules will still inexplicably include things like spaceships and aliens that both the movies I'm excluding feature.]

    Sending over the boat was another attempt at communication after raising them on the radio failed. Seriously, you think some giant metal towers are going to appear off the coast of Hawaii and no one's going to check them out until they respond?
     
  13. Star Wolf

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    NASA, so with ourf fleet sitting in the middle of tfhe ocean something lands after Hong Kong was blown up and now we wait for the guys from SETI to fly out?
     
  14. Aeolusdallas

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    That doesn't make sense at all. The ship broke up in orbit and parts of it fell on Hong Kong. That is an accident. If you were driving a car and something fell off of a truck in front of you and it caused you to crash intoa store front killing people, does that make you guilty of murder?
     
  15. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Co-Founder of ISIS Moderator

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    Well, first off, no one "sent" the fleet. The fleet was already there conducting exercises when the tower suddenly appeared in front of them. Of course they're responsible for checking it out.

    Secondly, the fleet was not aware of the larger events going on around the world at that time. They did not know about the craft coming from space, or that they were craft at all. As far as they knew, they could have just been unmanned sensor towers or something. They were not aware of the crashes in Hong Kong or Scotland. Their speculation was all about terrestrial culprits from North Korea (specifically mentioned in the film) or perhaps China or Russia. So calling in NASA would have made no sense. Besides which, no one's sending in NASA techs without making sure the structure is safe first, so the Navy still would have had to check it out.

    All they knew at first was that a large tower invisible to radar suddenly appeared in front of a naval exercise off the coast of Hawaii. The logical first thought would be that it was a terrestrial navy using some kind of stealth vehicle or structure to spy on the exercises or threaten Hawaii. That seems right in the Navy's wheelhouse and something that's their duty to check out.
     
  16. Aldo

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    I just got back from seeing it for free. I can't in good conscious say the film was good, but I did enjoy it, for it being free and all.

    There were parts where I had a grin on my face, and parts where I thought the movie was going to become good, but then something dumb happened.

    And boy are the previews misleading, I thought Liam Neeson was going to be in this film a lot more than he was.
     
  17. Star Wolf

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    Nope but if you missed the large desert, and ocean, and empty lot and hit the tiny store there will be a police investigation before accident is determined to be the cause.
     
  18. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored Co-Founder of ISIS Moderator

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    Yeah, that was pretty disappointing. I was expecting more of Neeson as well. Maybe him talking about his particular set of skills that make him a nightmare for aliens like them.

    It seems misleading trailers are becoming a thing with Liam Neeson films right now after the misleading trailer set up for the big fight in Wolf-Puncher... sorry, The Grey (still a good movie, though).

    Then again, I was also expecting a lot more of the Basterds after the Inglorious Basterds trailer than what we actually wound up with, as well.
     
  19. Aeolusdallas

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    I think you are missing the point of the word "crash" The did not control where they fell. It was an accident. The other 4 ships went to Hawaii because that is where the message they got came from. They were then attacked by human ships and only defended themselves until the point where they decided to phone home. Then they went on the offensive and even then the movie very clearly shows them trying to minimize civilian casualties.
     
  20. Admiral2

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    Nice try, but I sat through it just like you did.

    Yes it was. The bocce ball attacks after Hong Kong were deliberate.

    Avoiding civilians wouldn't have been necessary if they hadn't launched the balls at all. They did. Nice attack or not, that's an attack on civilians.