Bashir/changeling question

[balls]

I would imagine that this has been asked a bunch of times, but do we know what episodes (not counting the ones where it's revealed) that the Bashir on the station is a changeling?

Thanks

 

[Kegek]

Somewhere around "Rapture", which is when the uniforms changed (and he's in an old uniform). Since "Rapture" Bashir preformed surgery on Sisko, though, it's been suggested it was after that point - but definately around there.

The background information is that the writers only decided Bashir was replaced by a changeling when writing "In Purgatory's Shadow", then checked previous episodes to see if that would mess things up. They were happy it weren't so they went ahead.

 

[Darth_Pazuzu]

Kegek said:
Somewhere around "Rapture", which is when the uniforms changed (and he's in an old uniform). Since "Rapture" Bashir preformed surgery on Sisko, though, it's been suggested it was after that point - but definately around there.

Keeping that in mind, remember the teaser for The Begotten? I find "Bashir"'s amused reaction when Odo comes into the infirmary complaining of aches and pains to be rather spooky! "Ah, good morning, Constable! And what can I do for you...today?" Obviously, the Founders are not without a sense of schadenfreude!

 

[Timo]

It has also been suggested that the Changeling Bashir did not perform any brain surgery on Sisko in "Rapture". Rather, he/it faked the need for this actually unnecessary surgery in order to make him/itself appear more convincing - as well as to keep Sisko ranting like a lunatic so that Bajor would not ally itself with the Federation...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

"To the Death" was when they got Bashir.

Okay, I pitched that idea before, doesn't work.

There's a problem with THE BEGOTTEN, if he was a changeling, Bashir arguably let the infant changeling die, or at least didn't do all he could to save it. That's something the changelings would not do. Yes, I think he would've even blown his cover to save the infant. After all the "female" changeling said Odo was more important than the whole alpha quadrant.

 

[Kegek]

It's possible there was nothing Bashir-changeling could do to save the baby changeling. Linking with it would probably help it grow up more rapidly, but would also blow his cover. He may have had no way to cure it of its illness.

 

[od0_ital]

Or its possible the Founders put the "baby Changeling" in Odo's path, through Quark, as a sort of "parole" for his punishment, and the Bashir Founder made sure it worked.

 

[James Bond]

od0_ital said:
Or its possible the Founders put the "baby Changeling" in Odo's path, through Quark, as a sort of "parole" for his punishment, and the Bashir Founder made sure it worked.

I think that would make the most sense. After all, the female changeling did say something along the lines of "we have forgiven you, Odo".

 

[Timo]

That does sound likely, yes. What would the odds be of Odo running into another one of the Hundred by sheer chance?

Also note how uncharacteristically Quark acts in delivering the baby:

Quark: "It's a Changeling - or it was, anyway. Since it's dead, I'll let you have it for five slips of latinum."
Odo: "It's not dead."
Quark: "In that case, make it ten..."
Odo: "It's sick."
Quark: "Eight and we'll call it even."

Eight slips of latinum? Quark could be charging bricks, well knowing Odo's desperate interest in fellow Changelings. And he haggles implausibly poorly, as if not realizing that Odo's comment on sickness is a sign of interest rather than disinterest. It's almost as if the Ferengi had been hired to dump the Changeling on Odo's lap...

Bashir arguably let the infant changeling die, or at least didn't do all he could to save it. That's something the Changelings would not do.

Why not? They explicitly consider their babies expendable, kicking out a hundred of them to act as deep space probes and all. It may be that a baby to a Changeling is literally nothing more than a ball of spit. Using one as a vector for the cure to Odo's "stiffness" would be perfectly plausible for the Founders, yet would arouse little suspicion among the Feds who think that babies are cute and to be cuddled.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CaptainHawk1]

After For The Uniform and let's not discuss it again.

It gives me the creeps.

-Shawn

 

[Guy Gardener]

You know, Julian could have just gotten that old uniform from some dead guy.

Otherwise, that Changeling was shagging and shagging and shagging all of Risa as he dumped Lyta.

 

[Timo]

Wouldn't you do that if you were a Changeling?

I mean, dump Leeta, because a continued relationship with her would be a risk factor. Although I guess even a solemn Founder can enjoy impersonating Austin Powers for a while.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Guy Gardener]

This was two episodes before Doctor Bashir I presume.

Did the Changeling copy Bashir so precisely that he mimicked the Doctor's genetic enhancements? At which did he do things while pretending to be a baseline human which a base line human shouldn't have been able to do?

If his Doppleganger was too perfect, then fauxJulian would have been inhuman.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Timo said:
That does sound likely, yes. What would the odds be of Odo running into another one of the Hundred by sheer chance?

Better than average...

Series: 'Deep Space Nine'
Episode Title: 'Chimera'
Episode Number: 714
Synopsis: "Odo's chance encounter with another changeling abandoned at birth by the Founders leads him to question his place on Deep Space Nine and his relationship with Kira."
Original Airdate: February 17, 1999