AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Captain Craig, Apr 20, 2012.

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How do you grade The Avengers?

Poll closed Nov 26, 2012.
  1. A+

    46.4%
  2. A

    31.8%
  3. A-

    9.3%
  4. B+

    5.3%
  5. B

    3.4%
  6. B-

    1.6%
  7. C+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. C

    1.2%
  9. C-

    0.3%
  10. D+

    0.3%
  11. D

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F

    0.3%
  1. throwback

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    I think it's clear that they all died - the soldiers and the Leviathans. In my last viewing, after seeing one of the Leviathans landing belly-up on a building, I ask myself, how will the government get that thing down?

    I betcha the US government is going to have a field day with the knowledge they will acquire from this wreckage. They will new weapons, and they will have knowledge of advanced bio-mechanics. I wonder if we will see any of this addressed in the later films.

    I think the Chitauri were some of the worst shooters in any sci-fi/fantasy. A Chitauri could enter an office, fire three shoots, and miss a frightened office drone. Even I, who wasn't trained in the military, know that you don't shoot at a moving target, you shoot at where you anticipate them to be. I saw this in the movie when Hawkeye anticipated where a Chariot would be, and nailed it with an explosive arrow. As the Chitauri were such poor soldiers, and they behaved like that animal Thor mentioned that is repulsive and tramples everything in its path, I have some questions:

    1.) What was the purpose of the Chitauri? Once they got into a fight with any professional or contractor army, their days were numbered. If they were to frighten the civilian populace, the Other's plan would have backfired. Killing civilians doesn't make them scared; it makes them mad and mobilizes them to fight against the intruders.
    2.) Why was SHIELD's 'overlords' so bent on nuking New York City? The state government of New York was already sending in National Guard units to fight the intruders, and, eventually, the United States government would commit forces to the battle. (This would imply the battle had been raging for an hour, at least.) The 'overlords' reaction seemed odd to me, especially when it was clear that the intruders were contained to a 3-block radius around the portal. It becomes even more interesting when it is revealed at the end that a nuke could destroy the command center, and that the portal could be shut down by a specter being jammed into the portal generator.

    I was amused by Senator Boynton demanding that the Avengers be held accountable for the damage done to New York. When I saw that, my thoughts went to Ghostbusters II. In that film, it was revealed that the Ghostbusters were sued for damages done to New York City, and had to disband.
     
  2. Shazam!

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    It would've been kinda cool if after the portal closes, all the Chitauri turn around and look at the re-grouped Avengers with a kind of "Oh, shi..." expression. Then fade to black and cut to post-battle.
     
  3. Trekker4747

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    The army certainly had a biological component to them. We see their "faces" sometimes when they growl/snarl at the camera and they were clearly biological typical alien-invader faces.

    Indeed. There was a shawarma sign on the far wall.

    It was a fun, entertaining, tent-pole movie that's been built up for the last four years featuring popular comic book characters. This movie is something no one would have thought was possible to see happen just 10 years ago when "Spider-Man" basically revived the superhero movie trend.

    The movie was filled with good, fun, action (that was comprehensible), fun characters that were well played and Scarlet Johansson's ass in tight leather.

    Yes, people over overwhelmingly loved it because it lived up to (or surpassed) everything we've been building up to since Iron Man came out and we knew they were establishing a Marvel Cinematic Universe for an Avengers movie.
     
  4. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Well, I didn't know what anyone else voted before I voted, so I don't know how it's a herd mentality. Maybe a telepathic herd, which would be the coolest herd ever.
     
  5. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    Yeah. "Herd mentality."

    I went and saw this movie after only seeing some reviews (both her and professional) and came out of this movie having loved it. It was just an awesome time in the theater.
     
  6. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Exactly. I had no idea what anyone else voted before registering my vote. But Othello should feel free to insult the people who disagree with him. Free speech, and all that.
     
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  7. Captain Craig

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    Or maybe we all feel it's that good for reasons you just don't see or agree to. And that's fine, just saying a sideways insult isn't going to add anything to the discussion.

    Are all the movies with 90% or better on RT herd mentality?
    Toy Story 3
    The Dark Knight
    Star Trek('09) ;)

    Just some recent examples.
     
  8. RAMA

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  10. Trekker4747

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    Wow. Some great concept art in there! I like the one of Thor on the Chrysler Building's spire.

    If there's one design complaint I have it's that I think the Helicarrier's bridge was a bit overdesigned and elaborate. (And wildly "overstaffed") The Star Trekian/Defiant-like captain's command center also was just odd to me.
     
  11. Psion

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    I got dragged out by friends after deciding Avengers wasn't on my must-see list. I enjoyed it a helluva lot more than any film I've seen recently. I voted here without first checking poll results and gave it an A+.

    We've now entered the phase where the movie is so successful that wanna-be hipsters get to make condescending remarks about those of us who are having a good time. [shrugs] Oh well, everyone needs a hobby, I guess. Cheers, Othello! Know that even though we're having a blast talking about the film and seeing it over and over, you're a far, far better man than the rest of us uneducated bumpkins swilling the moonshine equivalent of entertainment.

    Well, Star Trek was. ;) [ducks]
     
  12. Trekker4747

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    14 years from now:

    "Avengers only did $3B in the box office because of lonely comic-book fanboys who went to see the movie 10 times just to look at Scarlet Johansson's ass!"

    That, or -you know- it's a really good fucking movie.
     
  13. Star Wolf

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    With an open portal there was no way to know just how many enemy could come pouring through before Thor, Ironman and the Hulk were overwhelmed. To be far even if the National Guard was mobilized before the breech it wouldn't be able to handle a proper earth army with presumably a lower level of technology should it appear in New York. They would have neither the heavy equipment in place nor the ammo for an extended fight.

    The enemy was not contained, they had poor generalship and fought Captain America's battle as they went after the Avengers as if they were the only resistance Earth could put up. Yet it was a small point for me of how ground combat Guardsmen could get into the fight in numbers before air units turned up to help Ironman.
     
  14. davejames

    davejames Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I don't think anyone is claiming this movie is perfect (most have already acknowledged that the plot isn't the deepest or most complex), but that doesn't mean it still can't be fun and entertaining as hell to watch.
     
  15. Mike Farley

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    The Asgardian incident happened "last year" according to Nick Fury's dialogue in the movie. And it's pretty obviously not winter in New York City during that final battle. I's say that timeline needs some adjusting.
     
  16. RoJoHen

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    Well, we did have a couple weeks in February when the weather was really nice. :p
     
  17. Captain Craig

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    This is about the end-end credits shot in The Avengers
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  18. sojourner

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    ^yep, we know.
     
  19. Peacemaker

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    Saw it in IMAX 3D tonight. Loved it, and I'm not huge comic book / superhero movie kinda guy.
     
  20. Hyperspace05

    Hyperspace05 Commodore Commodore

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    I forgot to mention the 3D in my post about the movie. (again, I really liked it - an A- grade).

    But, please, Hollywood. Just stop with the crappy post conversions. I'm a HUGE 3D fan if done right. But there were so many shots that had improper 3D. Many reviewers have stated that Avengers was a great conversion. I disagree. Better than some, but still not good enough IMO for a truly immersive and consistent 3D experience of films shot in 3D.

    The problem with 3D conversions is that the people doing it have too large of a temptation to really exaggerate 3D effects by making the ocular (eye) distance too large. An example: An early shot of a bridge in NY literally looked like a 12 inch scale model, due to the exaggerated 3D effect. And the effect varies so much from scene to scene. The scene where Loki first appears in the film is also terrible - his forehead looks very close to the camera, while his mouth looks 6ft away. Very odd looking.

    I *will* see Avengers again (more than once), but I will definitely seek out 2D showings.