AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Captain Craig, Apr 20, 2012.

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How do you grade The Avengers?

Poll closed Nov 26, 2012.
  1. A+

    46.4%
  2. A

    31.8%
  3. A-

    9.3%
  4. B+

    5.3%
  5. B

    3.4%
  6. B-

    1.6%
  7. C+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. C

    1.2%
  9. C-

    0.3%
  10. D+

    0.3%
  11. D

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F

    0.3%
  1. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    It began losing altitude, Iron Man managed to get the engine damaged by Hawkeye's arrow running again before it crashed. (IIRC, it was at around 10,000 feet when the engine began running again.)

    Which brings up my nitpicky complaint that Joss (or whoever) seemed to forget that walking around outside at high altitude isn't exactly possible. The Hellicarrier was flying over the clouds which would put it at the same altitude commercial jets fly at, around 30,000-40,000 feet. At that height it's not only very cold but there's practically no air to breathe. Yet we see Captain America, Hawkeye and Nick Fury all outside while the Hellicarrier is flying at altitude, there were also times when a plane or something was at altitude and someone would open a door or something which, again, would de-pressurize the craft which would be bad news for the exposed mortals inside.

    Iron Man in a pressurized suit wouldn't be bothered by the lack of air, nor would Hulk or Thor likely be bothered but Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury and even Captain America are still mortal humans that come with all of the expected weaknesses. (IIRC Captain America is only at peak human capabilities and not strictly "super powered.")

    So it stood out as odd to me to see the mortal human characters outside at high altitude (again with very thin air and very cold temperatures) without really being bothered by it. That's probably one thing that took me out of the movie if even only a little bit.

    I believe a Black Widow film with ScarJo actually is planned. As for a solo Hulk film with Ruffalo? I'd be interested in seeing it but I think the biggest hurdle is I think the Hulk works best with someone else. When Banner is Hulk he's not much more than ass-punching and quips. Which really only worked here because of the way he played off the others.
     
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  3. JD

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    What about a Peter David story for a Joss Whedon script?
     
  4. Admiral James Kirk

    Admiral James Kirk Writer Admiral

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    That would be cool. I'm sure PAD has a buttload of wonderful stories Joss could adapt. Personally I think they should get William Hurt back for Hulk 2 and have him fight Mark Rufallo as Red Hulk. Save The Leader for Hulk 3.
     
  5. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Can't imagine what Joss Whedon would need with Peter David - he can do the same thing, better, with his left hand.
     
  6. Admiral James Kirk

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    He really doesn't. :)
     
  7. Warped9

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    For the record I never found Rebo and Zooty funny much either. :)

    As for the "best movie ever" and A+ rating. I think it was an A+ for it's entertainment value. I really enjoyed the film, but it isn't the best movie I've ever seen simply because different movies can be very entertaining in different ways. There are a lot of non genre films I really like and have enjoyed immensely, but for different reasons from enjoying films like Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, Casino Royale, Raiders Of The Lost Ark, Alien, the Bourne trilogy and Avengers.

    You can also say a film can be objectively great and yet have a personal preference for something else. Batman is my personal all time favourite superhero and I really enjoyed The Dark Knight as much as I enjoyed Avengers. I never really read much of the Marvel characters featured in Avengers, but the film did a very good job of getting me interested nonetheless.

    Why does it have to be either/or? Enjoying something immensely doesn't mean you're betraying anything you liked a lot before. It just means it's one more film in your favourites list.
     
  8. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Saw it tonight. Gave it an A.

    The Hulk was the star (Ruffalo did a serviceable job as Banner too, but I do mean the Hulk). Downey Jr. was great as always. Evans, Johansson, Renner were all good. I felt Thor was a bit weak. However, I thought he had nice moments. The sense I got was his connection with Loki was so strong that it would risk overpowering the movie. So, to counter that, they had to pull back on Thor to a considerable degree. He had a few good moments during the slow scenes. But, after his initial fight with Loki towards the end, he was limited to a fairly background role after that. Once again, I don't blame them, I'm just saying that it's unfortunate but probably necessary.

    Overall, it was quite good. It had a nice buildup that actually paid off well. It had great dialog. Obviously, it did not have strong character arcs, but this movie never would have worked with one. I do think the idea of independent heroes having to go together was an effective theme, especially with Loki the trickster as the villain. The battle in the woods was gratuitous, but in a good way. I'd say it was a movie played well for strong entertainment value.
     
  9. tighr

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    To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Coulson isn't really dead. One of the things we have to remember about his character is that he isn't a a classic Marvel character; his first appearance is in the MCU. We honestly don't know much about him or his background, his motivations or even his purpose. What we do know is that he has resonated with the film-going public.

    Coulson is almost like one of the G-Men from Half-Life. Very mysterious. I, for one, hope we haven't seen the last of Coulson.
     
  10. Davros

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    This was the most fun I have had at the movies in quite some time.
     
  11. Wereghost

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    On the face of it that sounds like a match made in heaven, but I think they're a little too similar. Each has a sensibility for characterisation and whimsy and I don't see that they'd complement each other. David does, however, place a little more emphasis on story (IMHO), and I remember him as having a knack for showing us new sides to existing characters. Maybe he should co-write a Hulk movie or turn in a draft on his own. (Peraps he could disinter the story he allegedly pitched for what became the 2003 movie.) David could probably also work wonders with other properties such as Thor, Iron Man, the FF or the X-Men.

    Here's Peter David's review of the Avengers movie.
     
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  12. Data Holmes

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    I think it is because they all are "super serumed". When Hawkeye took out the turbine, all the "rogue shield" agents were donning breathing masks before he opened the rear ramp to take his shot.
     
  13. Seven of Five

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    God I loved this film!

    Saw it last night. It was very entertaining - emotional stakes, high energy, and very funny too. Hulk stole the film for me, and I loved Black Widow too.

    They did a great job of meshing all of the different superheros in one fighting unit, and it was so much fun along the way! Probably my favourite Marvel film at the moment. :D
     
  14. DAYoung

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    I saw it again yesterday, with my wife. My earlier review still stands: a very well balanced action film.
     
  15. Trekker4747

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    Yeah, I sort of figured maybe Hawkeye's possession by Loki granted him powers, but then realized Hawkeye and Black Widow (at least in comics) have something akin to the super-soldier serum. (But, we could argue we don't know that's the case in the movies.)

    It seems like something that should have been addressed, though, because there are plenty of scenes where we see people exposed to the outside at altitude with no apparent problems.
     
  16. Vendikarr

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    Morena Baccarin
     
  17. Alidar Jarok

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    Weren't you complaining about people changing Superman's outfit? I would have thought you would have liked comicbook faithfulness at all costs.
     
  18. Samurai8472

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    Behind the scenes of the after credits scene


    http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/05/04/backstory-avengers-secret/3/

     
  19. Wereghost

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    I didn't find Loki's helmet dumb at all, and was surprised by that. It looks kind of regal if anything. Cap's uniform worked better than expected, too.
     
  20. Maab of the Ten Tribes

    Maab of the Ten Tribes Captain Captain

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    No wonder Ruffalo looked like he was about to burst out in laughter during that final scene. Actually you can tell they are look like they are trying their hardest not to laugh.