AVENGERS: Grade, Reviews, Discuss, DVD & Sequel **SPOILERS**

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Captain Craig, Apr 20, 2012.

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How do you grade The Avengers?

Poll closed Nov 26, 2012.
  1. A+

    46.4%
  2. A

    31.8%
  3. A-

    9.3%
  4. B+

    5.3%
  5. B

    3.4%
  6. B-

    1.6%
  7. C+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. C

    1.2%
  9. C-

    0.3%
  10. D+

    0.3%
  11. D

    0 vote(s)
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  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F

    0.3%
  1. stj

    stj Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    ^^^Pointing at Samuel L. Jackson with a bazooka and cool dialogue caption.

    It is amazing how things strike people differently. There's been some dispute over some of my less severe criticisms of the movie, but the Nick Fury stuff I called ignorant twaddle, and I meant severely retarded ignorant, dumbshit twaddle. This scene struck me as possibly the nadir of the writing. I would have been far more impressed with Samuel L. Jackson if he had suggested that the damn nuclear missiles had been aimed through the portal in the first place. Or if he had objected that nuking Manhattan would leave the Earth forces with no ground to stand on for a defense. There's nothing cool about seeing Jackson kill his own soldiers for nothing. Everything with "Fury" was awful. Black Widow didn't work, but you could see them making an effort. With Fury, they actively worked to make it stupid.

    But on reflection, I suppose they thought that if they opened that door, people would wonder why the invaders had no defenses whatsoever against any counterattack.

    (They being Whedon and whoever held his leash.)
     
  2. Chemahkuu

    Chemahkuu Admiral Admiral

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    I've never seen or read Twilight either, I hate the franchise, but that line is infamous even outside of it. Thought it was more common knowledge given how thoroughly it's been panned around the 'net. Oh well.

    And Thor did seem sidelined in the film, I prefer the standalone on that point, but then it's also one of my favourites of the whole series. That and more Hawkeye.
     
  3. davejames

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    Speaking of which, Samuel L Jackson looked freakin badass in this movie. I thought he came off way too loose and jokey and, well, Samuel L Jackon-ish in Iron Man 2, but thankfully in this movie he was back to being a character you could take seriously.
     
  4. Amasov

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    Hulk delivered the biggest and greatest "STFU" I have ever seen in my life! (Loki)
     
  5. Chemahkuu

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    They certainly took his character to some dark places during the movie, it was an interesting subplot of the movie as to whose side he was really on. But yes, badass throughout.
     
  6. Warped9

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    :techman:
     
  7. Aldo

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    Like I said above, I felt Thor was really underused in the film. And I really love Thor's movie (heck I even have a Thor avatar! :p).
     
  8. Emher

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    I didn't mean any offense, I was just saying I wasn't aware of it.

    And yeah...I kinda agree. I could have lived with more Thor and Hawkeye.
     
  9. Admiral James Kirk

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    You're the luckiest person I know. :)
     
  10. tomalak301

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    The Avengers (2012) - B

    Went to see The Avengers pretty late last night and had a fun time in a packed theater. After taking the time to think about it though, I don't think it's necessarily the A that everyone else is giving it, as there seemed to be a lot of your typical summer movie action as well as the whole technobabble stuff that people complain about in Star Trek. Also, Loki could have been a lot better as a villain and maybe even a little more fleshed out. Granted, they fleshed him out kind of in Thor, but he seemed a bit weak in comparison to some of the other Marvel villains, namely the ones in the two Iron Man movies.

    However, I loved the movie mainly because I loved the character interactions. I would love to see a Mark Ruffalo Hulk movie, as I skipped on Edward Norton and hated Bana's portrayal of the character. Ruffalo gave Hulk a lot more personality and didn't make the character boring. Downy Jr. was the star of the movie as everything he said was classic Iron Man arrogance which was great. I didn't mind Thor as much as other people it seemed, even though for a God he sure was in the background.

    Anyway, the chemistry was really good between the cast, and I look forward to going back to the individual characters, especially Iron Man, Captain America and as said already, a good Mark Ruffalo Hulk movie. Overall, nice way to kick off the Summer Movie season (Even though I still think Hunger Games was the first summer movie) and it get's a solid B from me.
     
  11. Chemahkuu

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    None taken, just elaborating a little.

    Yup, well mainly Thor, Hawkeye was awesome the whole film and got plenty of time, just needed Thor to do more than mope half the film.
     
  12. Dac

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    Thor was slightly underused compared to the other team members, however I would contest that his character relied on the extensive cast of others from "Thor", such as Jane Foster/Natalie Portman, Selvig, Sif, The Warriors Three and Odin to name but a few who were all absent (save for Selvig, although he himself did not have any scenes with Thor) that he was used as much as he could have been. He had been to Earth before, he got used to Earth then, so he has no fish out of water aspect that Steve Rogers had. Jane Foster was addressed, which is enough because it was pretty unrealistic to expect Portman to make a cameo. His sole reason for being there was to get Loki. That thread was explored pretty well. It would have been nice to have some more interaction with Selvig, Foster etc but the story didn't need that.

    Also, Holy f**k. Avengers makes $200.3 million domestic in its first weekend at least. http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3438&p=.htm
     
  13. Admiral James Kirk

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    I can imagine Jane is going to be pretty annoyed with Thor when they meet again in Thor 2. I mean she's working her butt off to be with him again and he just comes back, saves the day and runs off again without a so much as a "Hi, g'bye!". If I were Jane I'd probably kick him in the Mjolnir. :)
     
  14. LaxScrutiny

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    If I were Thor, I might just enjoy that. ;)
     
  15. Admiral James Kirk

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    Geez, I'd much prefer she stroke Mjolnir, were I the God of Thunder. ;)
     
  16. LaxScrutiny

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    Asgardian Mjolnirs are pretty rugged.
     
  17. Chemahkuu

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    Punny god. Great line lol


    Question who was the female shield agent at the end talking to nick?

    Was she warbird?
     
  19. JD

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    I saw the movie early Friday morning, and I loved every moment of it. I can't really think of any specific comments about at the moment. I really can get some movies or something that focus on Hawkeye and Black Widow, because I really liked them in this and would love to get a more in depth look at them. I voted A+.
     
  20. FPAlpha

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    Saw it last Saturday and absolutely love it.. one of the best mainstream summer blockbuster movies i ever saw... Grade A (could have been A+ but i'll get to it).

    Now i've been a Marvel Fan since a kid so i know my superheroes.. their origins, their gadgets and so on and i most likely know more about the comic backgrounds than most people with me in the theater and i've seen every new breed Marvel superhero movie since Blade and X-Men re-started it all those years ago.

    Most of them are good, some of them near brilliant and some stiinkers but Avengers almost instantly takes top spot.. in front of Iron Man and Spider-Man.

    When Marvel decided to build a cohesive movie universe i wasn't aware of it that much.. i watched Iron Man and hugely enjoyed myself and for whatever reason i never put 2 and 2 together when Coulson (the always great Clark Gregg) refered to his branch until he spelled it out at the end of the movie which nearly gave me a fan induced heartattack when he said Shield :lol:

    Only moments later (smart man that i am i stayed to after credits) i see Ultimate Nick Fury played by the Man himself talking about the Avenger Initiative and i lost my mind the second time in a few minutes.

    Ever since i enjoyed the buildup movies but i also feared that all the hype and anticipation just guaranteed that expectations couldn't be met.. that we'd get a lukewarm movie that just a collection of set pieces, intricate (and well done) special effect shots and some jokes and nods which only comic book fans would understand fully.
    In short.. due to the Hollywood system.. i had little hopes for Avengers to really blow me out of the water.

    First signs of hope were when they hired Joss Whedon to helm that whole thing.. they got the King of Nerds to make the mother of all nerd movies and i was happy. Then i thought about the system again.. Whedon gets pop culture and comics, he's basically one of us but with real writing and directing talent but will he be able to resist studio meddling and all those marketing people telling him what needs to be in the movie because their "research" has shown that it's popular and it sells.
    Unfortunately he's no Spielberg, Scorsese, Scott or Cameron with a proven financial track record so he could tell the studio to fuck off and let him do the movie how he wants but either the studio understood that they got the perfect guy to helm their 100+ million tentpole movie or he's way more persuasive than i gave him credit for.

    So the movie starts and ii'm in blissful heaven.. as i said, i love it. Whedon really did put together a movie that was entertaining as hell, that didn't put any of the huge stars or characters above anyone else and from all these ingredients he made a brilliant team movie. I'm no movie expert and maybe i'll find flaws when everything has setteled but then no one can take away my initial feelings of brilliance come to screen.


    Most favorite scenes include:

    - Stark jabbing Banner in the side and then watching him like a scientist who just prodded an animal to get a reaction

    - the 3 main egos duking it out in the woods

    - Banner hulking out and chasing down the Black Widow

    - Black Widow.. just everything (especially when she/Scarlett Johannsen extracted information from Loki.. i really believed he got to her.. amazing acting by Scarlett :techman:)

    - Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye.. especially the automatic quiver arrow assembly controlled by a button on the bow.. brilliant idea

    - The Hulk.. maybe the breakout character of the movie. In both forms just brilliant.. Mark Ruffallo pulled off a very good Bruce Banner.. i was a bit sad that Norton had to abandon the role but Ruffalo was a good replacement but his alter ego was just cool as hell. Hulk got the biggest roar of laughter when he cut short the monologue of Loki by bashing him around Looney Tunes style to shut him up.. and it got the only round of applause from the audience! Well done! :techman:

    - Cap taking command.. that was just so cool to watch. I'm not the biggest fan of the Captain America movie because of the story and some elements in it but Chris Evans is an amazing Captain America.. he really owns the character and is able to show what makes him tick. Here it was just so cool to see him issue command and take charge just like in the comics.. loved the scene where he starts commanding the policemen, they stand confused and initially are reluctant until they see him kick ass which makes them execute his commands precisely :lol:

    - loved how the battle teams got mixed up during the final fight.. everyone got to fight with everyone and it didn't feel forced or unnatural. It's just a very chaotic battle and you fought whereever you were.

    - Fury is a devious bastard.. true to the character established in the comics. He used the one great tragedy of Coulson's death (that really shocked me but it shouldn't since it's a Joss Whedon movie) to get something good out of it.. some would call it a disrespectful move but i believe Coulson would approve

    - Tom Hiddleston was an amazing Loki and villain... just so full of himself and his perceived superiority. Really good.. he was no Heath Ledger/Joker but then that is a bar no one will ever reach again so we can only hope for a shadow of that

    The only thing that bothered me was the left out Captain America signature line "Avengers Assemble!".. there even was the perfect moment for it during the final fight but nothing. I was so prepared to nerd out like there's no tomorrow but it was missing :( That's why it was not an A+ movie but then it's a small nitpick in an otherwise perfect action movie.

    I'll go see it another time and this one i'll pay full price for the pre-order Blu Ray.