Anybody else pickup the TNG Blu-ray Movie Pack?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Drizzt, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. Jefferies

    Jefferies Captain Captain

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    I have a short question for the blu-ray owners. What resolution are the movies presented in? If its yx1080 and considering the aspect ratio is 2.35:1, does that mean its actually 2538x1080? That would be pretty spectactular, but maybe I'm getting this wrong?
     
  2. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    It's ALWAYS 1920 x 1080.

    So the movies are actually only 1920 x 800 or something.
     
  3. jefferiestubes8

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    Harvey
    http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=92792
    start with post#6.
     
  4. jefferiestubes8

    jefferiestubes8 Commodore Premium Member

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    reviews

    reviews:

    http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/sttngmoviesbd.php

    VIDEO
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    4 page review
    http://www.dvdfile.com/reviews/review/star-trek-the-next-generation-movie-collection-bd-86325


    http://trekmovie.com/2009/09/26/review-star-trek-the-next-generation-movies-blu-ray-box-set/
     
  5. Shakaar

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    I gotta disagree to some extent. I thought the Generations transfer was just as excellent as the others. The flesh tones seemed perfectly fine on my set and I didn't notice the "plastic look" at all. Hell, I could see the individual pores on Data's face and he's always looked sort of plastic to me. The only "soft" imagery I noticed was in Picard's nexus dream and I think that is intentional.

    As for the audio, my back speakers got a workout, especially during the space battle and subsequent crash! Overall, I've been really impressed with the transfer of all four movies.
     
  6. STR

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    Didn't buy this or the TOS set. I'm waiting for a special edition, by that I mean a recut of Nemesis with some of the dramatic scenes put back in.
     
  7. Mr. B

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    Re: reviews

    Dammit! ...sounds like the same crap we saw in the TOS collection. I'll still be curious to see what High Def Digest has to say, not to mention my own eyes.
     
  8. Hober Mallow

    Hober Mallow Commodore Commodore

    No, I don't think you quite understand the magnitude of what has to be done.

    35mm film episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY do not exist.

    The live action was indeed shot on 35mm. But to save money they had the episodes edited on videotape. Meaning the only complete, edited episodes that exist are on videotape. There's no possibility of making that HD. DVDs upconverted on blu-ray is as good as those shows will ever look.

    The only way to make TNG HD is to go back to the original film. We're talking film that is not edited together -- filmed scenes which were used, scenes which weren't used, etc. Remember, no completed edited episode exists on film. You'd have to practically put TNG back into postproduction and do it all over again almost from scratch, editing all the episodes again -- assuming you can find the right takes that perfectly match the already existing edited audio, music, and sound FX. TNG's post-production took seven years the first time. How long do you think it would take this time? Without some sort of guide to help a production team figure out which scenes go where, they have a daunting challenge. Redoing the FX is the least of Paramount's concerns.

    Transfering TOS was nothing compared to what TNG, DS9, and VOY would entail. TOS episodes were edited onto film, meaning all that had to be done was to clean up the film and transfer it.
     
  9. Mr. Laser Beam

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    No, the Enterprise effects were not rendered at 480i. They were done at full HD resolution but downgraded for standard def DVD and non-HD broadcasts. (The show is shown in native HD on channels like HDNet) Full HD masters exist. That show could be released, on Blu-Ray, in full HD, right now.
     
  10. jefferiestubes8

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  11. Haggis and tatties

    Haggis and tatties Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I watched Generations and First contact last night, i had to force myself not to watch Insurrection.......And i have to say just like TOS movies release they were superb, I'm beginning to wonder if people are sitting with microscopes, 100 feet screens and the theatrical prints running at the same time to some up with this stuff.

    Nobody is going to tell me these movies on BR are anything but spectacular to watch in HD, and as i said before those nit picking usually have not even seen these on BR or have stated they wont have anything to do with them.....although that dont seem to stop them trying to convince evereybody else they are right.
     
  12. Harvey

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    You're right, if these releases were really terrible, they'd be sitting in a dumpster, not out on the street. But just because they're okay enough to stand the muster of general audiences, I see no reason why reviewers shouldn't point out flaws in the picture and audio that could have been fixed.

    I haven't read any reviews of these discs that have been running into the hills in rage. All they've done is point out some of the flaws.
     
  13. Grant

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    One reviewer gave a pretty good review of the picture quality of these movies but noted that had some small amount of DVR (but much less than the TOS movies)

    He then concluded by saying that it probably wouldn't bother someone watching on a HDTV smaller than his 65 inch set !!!

    I don't even KNOW anybody with a 65 inch HDTV, let alone own one myself.
    Isn't a 65" HDTV in the $5000 range?

    I am glad he noted the DNR, but I almost missed the last line where he said don't worry if your set is a smaller one.

    i think some folks freak out when they hear or see any note of DNR, but if it's only visible on the largest, most expensive TVs, 95% of us will never have to worry about it.

    Anyway I'm enjoying the PQ/AQ on my 32 inch set this week. :lol:
     
  14. jefferiestubes8

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    HDTV set size & viewing distance

    Stone Cold Sisko pointed out as well as I that High Definition resolution starts to become really apparent with a screen size of 40 inches.
    Sure most people do not have a HDTV larger than 50 inches.
    Sure there is a difference between DVD and HDTV even with smaller screens. To notice the very small details though it is on a screen 40+ inches.
    But as Arrqh points out
    from the HDTV that matters. This is true.
    Typically it is recommended that the viewing distance be no further than 3X the diagonal measurement of the set.
    Optimal Distance for 42inch HDTV at 1080p is 66inches = 5.5ft.
    http://www.thebestplasmatv.com/guides/size-optimal-viewing-distance/

    Use this calculator device for Plasma screens:
    http://www.dtvcity.com/plasmatv/plasmascreensize.html
    So a 40 inch HDTV should not viewed further than (120 inches) 10 feet away and thus Grant you should be viewing your 32 inch HDTV between 4.0 - 6.66 feet.

    Cnet
    even has a chart for minimum viewing & maximum distances.
    http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-7608_7-1016109-2.html

    There are also SMPTE and the THX Certification have standards that specify a viewing angle and distance here:
    http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/Tv-viewing-distance.html
     
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  15. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Re: Enterprise on Blu-ray

    Link please? And by that I mean a link to the actual article.
     
  16. Kirk1980

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    Re: Enterprise on Blu-ray

    I know this'll make me sound unsophisticated but...

    Blu-Ray doesn't impress me. Won't be buying these...ever:)
     
  17. jefferiestubes8

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    Re: Enterprise on Blu-ray

    I scanned & saved the article from the print magazine.
    It is not available online (be my guest I could not locate it). I have transcribed the relevant part for that post. PM me your email address and I can pull up the TIFF file and send you a JPEG file of it this week.
     
  18. trevanian

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    Re: Enterprise on Blu-ray

    I haven't found a link, but I did find this from an accompanying article (I guess the same issue), which does address the SD/HD upconvert issue in the last paragraph excerpted:

    Effects’ Shows

    Enterprise is one of those shows—it features dozens of digital effects each episode. John Carroll, the show’s online editor at Level 3, estimates it takes him 30% to 50% longer to finish a typical episode over the standard-def episodes of previous Star Trek shows he’s worked on (he’s been with the Star Trek franchise for 14 years).

    He says that’s partly because of the need to bring in “outside material” for the effects, partly because new equipment used in the HD online process “sometimes requires a few more steps,” and partly because of the format’s “unforgiving” nature, requiring him to be more thorough with even the smallest details. ( See accompanying story for more on Enterprise visual effects.)

    “Our visual effects shots are composited in standard definition and upconverted to 24p at CIS [Hollywood],” says Carroll.
    “Therefore, our visual-effects team has to be very aware of keeping the 3:2 consistent on their master effects reels.

    That's from this story:

    http://digitalcontentproducer.com/mag/video_tales_hd_trenches_2/index.html
     
  19. trevanian

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    Re: Enterprise on Blu-ray

    How do you get hold of Millimeter magazine? I haven't seen it in a bookstore since the late 80s and I can never get them to send me issues, even back when I was on staff at another mag. Do you have to have a New York background or something like that?
     
  20. MvRojo

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    FYI, the TNG Movies box set was the second-best selling Blu-Ray of the week, with TOS Season 2 the fifth best-selling.

    TNG beat out both major new releases: Observe & Report and Ghosts of Girlfriends Past. :bolian: