Ant-Man: Info, Pics, Rumors, Casting and Details till release

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  1. The Old Mixer

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    Heather wasn't Hudson's secretary, she was his ex-boss's secretary.

    Regarding Pym's role, one angle from the comics that could make him the antagonist is that the size-changing was supposed to have affected his physical and mental health, IIRC. What I'm imagining is that Douglass's Pym could have used his powers as a SHIELD operative back in the day but was forced to give them up because of these concerns. When some new young guy gets ahold of his formula and starts using it, the unstable part of Pym's psyche manifests in the form of resentment / jealous rage. Janet could play into this too if she's Pym's wife and closer to Lang's age.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

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    Egghead is your mad-scientist type.

    Wirlwind was in love with Jan and constantly tried to kill Hank just to open up her dance card. He went so far as to go deep under cover as the "Pyms" chauffeur or a year.

    Oh.

    Yeah.

    Ultron.
     
  3. DEWLine

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    Elihas Starr AKA "Egghead" was the classic Mad Scientist. One of his stunts even cost a niece her arm.

    Whirlwind, Dave Cannon, was a classic stalker targeting Janet.
     
  4. Captain Craig

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    I can't think of a single name villain. I haven't read the MMW Ant-Man/Giant Man in a number of years. My main recollection was that his foes were generic mad scientists and government operatives.

    He never had his own ongoing solo to really build a rogues gallery. Ultron is the main antagonist he created for himself and that's being co-opted.
     
  5. Alidar Jarok

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    Yeah, I saw a rumored plot:

    Probably not the main villain, but the story would involve Pym in the 60s spying on a Castro knock off named Castillo.

    On a side note, I know they're doing a rewrite right now to make the movie fit in better with the MCU, but if that rumor is correct, I think it would be an easy change.
     
  6. The Old Mixer

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    Egghead wasn't so much the classic mad scientist as a derivative one...a poor man's Sivana/Luthor.

    Alidar, if that rumor is correct...
    I hope they cast EJO!
     
  7. Dream

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    Iron Man's villains are nearly completely unknown to the public, didn't stop his movies from being monster hits.

    Of course that just means it has become much more important to find the right actor to bring your superhero to life if you aren't going to sell you movie on the strength of the villains.
     
  8. Turtletrekker

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    Pym, as the saying goes, has always been his own worst enemy.

    However, a quick look at Pym's entry at the Marvel Database refers to the following rogues...

    Note: The "Human Top" was Whirlwind's first code-name.
     
  9. Alidar Jarok

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    ^ Out of those, who would you pick?

    The Old Mixer, that would be fun. However, going by rumors, Michael Pena is going to be in it.

    That being said,
    If they're having a young Pym spying on Castillo, EJO could be the modern day version of him. Of course, it's possible these rumors are no longer true. Unless they plan to use CGI to de-age Michael Douglas, they'd have to cast a third Ant-Man actor to play a young Pym. That might be a bit too much.
     
  10. Turtletrekker

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    Probably Egghead. Porcupine and Whirlwind would make good henchmen.

    Black Knight could be interesting.

    The rest aren't really worth mentioning on any level.
     
  11. Alidar Jarok

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    Looking up the characters, all of them seem dumb.
     
  12. Turtletrekker

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    Yeah, Pym himself recently said something along the lines of "I had some really weird villains back in the day".

    That said, I maintain that a good story could be crafted around the villainy of Elias Starr/Egghead, a cackling mad-scientist if there ever was one. If the movie includes Wasp, then Dave Cannon/Whirlwind makes a good B-villain. Porcupine... yeah, a good henchman.
     
  13. The Old Mixer

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    Trago the trumpet-player could totally...

    oh, I can't even go though with this joke.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    Bread crumbs.

    The only reason to have this movie is to set up Age of Ultron by creating baby Ultron Mark I.

    Of course this is probably expected to come out after Avengers II.
     
  15. Alidar Jarok

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    It's the next movie after Avengers and Ultron is said to have nothing to do with Pym. The reason to do the movie is because it's apparently a fun script they've been trying to do for awhile (even before Iron Man). I do hope Ant-Man is in Avengers 3 and I could see a younger Pym in Agent Carter (just when is that show going to air? I can see lots of tie-in potential). But I have no problem with actually trying to make Ant Man stand on his own.
     
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  17. Captain Craig

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    ^^^^
    That link takes me to Batman: Arkhamverse wiki style page

    I'm assuming the article includes Yellowjacket and surmises a way that the Pym is the bad guy and Lang is trying to save him from himself type scenario?
     
  18. JD

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    Oops, I forgot to change links.
    Here's the Newsarama article.

    Yeah, it talks some about ways the different villains could fit into what we know so far.
     
  19. Captain Craig

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    CBR has put together a list of reasons whey Ant-Man could break out. Essentially if you've been involved in this thread we've covered 90% or equal to this articles reasons.

    If however, you are just checking in on this thread out of curiosity for the first time this article is a good primer of why you shouldn't off handily dismiss Ant-Man's potential for success.
     
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