Another Size inconsistancy (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Infern0, May 22, 2013.

  1. Infern0

    Infern0 Captain Captain

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    Because... Size matters.

    So when the USS Vengance crashes, it does not look big enough.

    Consider, the 1701 is bigger than a Galaxy Class Starship (prime) and the Vengence dwarfs that, when it crashes, it simply doesn't appear big enough.

    Did anyone else notice this? sorry to be pedantic.
     
  2. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored BRexiting the Briefing Room Moderator

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    It was pretty massive.

    See the skyscrapers in the distance there? It was taking out multiple city blocks wide of those with the saucer. There's a shot with about five or six of those giant skyscrapers side by side being knocked down at once.

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    I posted this in the other thread, but this should help you get an idea of how big it was:

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    Here's the deflector dish compared to Alcatraz:

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  3. King Daniel Beyond

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    ^Wow, that's an excellent analysis!

    Here is a shot of the Vengeance's crashed saucer.
     
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  4. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored BRexiting the Briefing Room Moderator

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    It just comes up as an error.
     
  5. King Daniel Beyond

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    Fixed it. Sorry.
     
  6. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored BRexiting the Briefing Room Moderator

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    Thanks. That's one of the shots I was hoping to find, but couldn't. :techman:

    That clock tower on the lower left is the San Francisco Ferry Building on The Embarcadero, so my map seems roughly consistent with the path the Vengeance took.

    The double skyscraper connected by a huge skybridge in the background is the one that's near the Transamerica Pyramid and Starfleet Academy in ST09. The Transamerica Pyramid is probably toast, but Starfleet Academy was further off to the side, so it probably made it.

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  7. R. Star

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    I thought the ship slowed down way too much... I doubt Khan was considerate enough to hit the brakes as the ship was descending out of humanitarian reasons.
     
  8. Locutus of Bored

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    Added some of the new images and call-outs to the map of the crash (click to enlarge):

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  9. Kpnuts

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    Maybe he wanted to survive?
     
  10. Locutus of Bored

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    Once he missed the Enterprise on the way down (he was a little too close for me to believe that was accidental), he decided to try and take out Starfleet HQ, but the ship wasn't able to make the necessary maneuvers in its damaged condition. Maybe he slowed down to try and make the turn to hit it (he made a big turn before hitting Alcatraz).
     
  11. King Daniel Beyond

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    Cool. I'm impressed at how much thought they put into it. And I love the continuity with the last movie!
     
  12. sj4iy

    sj4iy Commander Red Shirt

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    That explanation works for me.
     
  13. Mountie1988

    Mountie1988 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    At least that would explain why he did not release all the anti-deuterium in the Vengeance's dilithium crystals and blew up half of North America.
     
  14. Shilliam Watner

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    I notice that in one of your pics the saucer has detached from the star drive section as it hits the buildings. It must have got bogged down in the bay mud as it leveled out and got closer to shore and is still somewhere out in the water.
     
  15. JarodRussell

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    nuStarfleet Academy changes its entire location in the first film.

    http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd0719.jpg
    http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd0718.jpg
    http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd2491.jpg

    They also show a shot of Earth with Europe in full daylight as establishing shot, and then immediately cut to San Francisco at daytime.

    So I would really stop looking for consistency in these films. ;)
     
  16. publiusr

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    Water is tough. There was a man who was thrown by an early jet-boat who hit the water with such force that it tore his feet off at the ankles. With that kind of surface area, a ship's saucer would be torn off is there were no structural integrity field--that came with the Ambassador class and after...

    So Kirk lived, but thousands of people die in a mass casualty event.
     
  17. JarodRussell

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    It's so funny that for the writers a small attack with a couple of dead Starfleet officers sparks the dramatic arc of the film, and they resolve it with the mass killing of probably 100,000 innocent people, which nobody in the film cares about AT ALL.
     
  18. Keeper

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    The image Locutus of Bored posted clears up allot about the crash sequence for me.

    My only remaining quibble about it now is that there wasn't any over-head views of the crash while it was happening. I suppose the budgetary line had to be drawn somewhere, but it still would have been a neat addition to the scene.
     
  19. WarpFactorZ

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    Maybe STiD showed Starfleet Academy's downtown extension campus, not the main (Presidio) campus...
     
  20. JarodRussell

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    Those are all just screenshots from Star Trek 2009, not from STD. It's clear that the makers favor composition over geographic continuity. Same goes for size and other technical aspects. The ships all switch sizes throughout the films. I think any discussion about how big the Vengeance is or what part of SF it crashed into is moot, because the ILM guys themselves didn't really care about that.