Angel ep by ep; rewatch and reviews

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  1. Mal

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    yeah. but evidently it's a really big deal in New York and Ivy League Universities. I don't know, no one seems to mind when they chop off the tips of little boys...
     
  2. saturn5

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    Very different, one done at an early age and has no detrimental effect on the boys, the other designed to keep the girls subservient and deprive them of all sexual pleasure:(

    THE RING
    The Good;
    Lilah! I know she's an evil bitch but I can't help loving her anyway. Cordy and Wes' police double act is also a highlight
    The Bad;
    Pretty much the rest, Angel as Spartacus, not bad but not very involving. The brother's plan to get Angel into the ring seems unnecessarily complex? Also Angel seems to be very easily overcome by their thugs considering what we know him to be capable off?
    Best line:
    Wes; Something's going down, something with 'The Man'

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Wes pinning the guys hand to the wall with his crossbow bolt then twisting it. Fingers in a box One McNamara brother casually killing the other.
    Apocalypses: 4
    Angel Cliches
    Damsel in distress; 15,
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 3
    DB get's his shirt off; no but he wears his vest top most of the time
    4
    Cordy's tattoo;3
    Cheap Angel; 2
    Fang Gang in bondage: Angel in the cuffs
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 6
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out: Angel, twice
    Cordy: 8
    Angel: 9
    Wes: 2
    Doyle; 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel: one demon. 11 vamps, 6 and 1/2 demons, 2 humans.
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 1/2 a demon
    Kate; 3 vamps

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 1

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 5

    Characters killed:
    25
    Recurring characters killed;
    2;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot: yep
    Angel: 7,
    Packing heat; Wes for the second time
    Wes; 2
    Doyle; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:
    Wes states that Cordy wears high heels and a push up bra.
    Captain Subtext;
    Cordy insinuates that Angel cross dresses.
    Know the face, different character; 2
    Parking garages;
    4,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Wes tortures the bookie
    Buffy characters on Angel;
    6; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes
    Questions and observations;
    Cordy considers calling the police. Even if they believed her is demon fighting illegal? Cordy mentions her pony, Lilah's talk with Angel foreshadows him joining WR&H in season 5
    Marks out of 10; 5/10, an ep mainly notable for the introduction of Lilah
     
  3. saturn5

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    ETERNITY
    The Good;
    Nice central concept, lovely to see Oliver again and the scens with him and Rebecca and Angel and Rebecca are also good. Tamara Gorski is very good as she also was in Hercules although her Irish accent is just as bad as DBs.
    The Bad;
    The explanation that the drugs effects are only temporary is stupid, it's not like the 'happy' Buffy gave Angel lasted for weeks (or if it did I'm doing it wrong?) In season 4 when they need to bring Angelus out why not just give him some of this? Why does Angelus cut the phones, who are they going to call?
    Best line:
    Rebecca (after Angel tells her he doesn't kill any more) "There's a support group for everything in this town"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Angel(us)? spraying the blood over Rebecca
    Apocalypses: 4 Cordy tells Rebecca that Angel saved the world but he also points out he tried to destroy it
    Angel Cliches
    Damsel in distress; 15,
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; Angel tries to act casual about saving Rebecca but you can see he's miffed when the papers don't mention him.
    In disguise; 3
    DB get's his shirt off; yep, after Rebecca spills her drink on it
    5
    Cordy's tattoo;3
    Cheap Angel; 2
    Fang Gang in bondage: Cordy chains the boss to the bed again
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 7
    Wes: 1

    Fang gang knocked out: Wes and Angel(us)
    Cordy: 8
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 3
    Doyle; 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel: 11 vamps, 6 and 1/2 demons, 2 humans.
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 1/2 a demon

    Fang Gang go evil: Angel and how!
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang: Angelus
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:
    25
    Recurring characters killed;
    2;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot: just blanks this week
    Angel: 7,
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 2
    Doyle; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:
    Cordy calls Rebecca a slut. How long did she know Wilson for before jumping into bed with him and his Hackslaw beast?
    Captain Subtext;
    Cordy says she'd have picketed the studio but lacked 'sensible shoes' (interesting considering the furore surrounding Angel's cancellation). Angel says that Ernest Borgnine is a 'skilled lover'?
    Know the face, different character; 2
    Parking garages;
    4,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel;
    6; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes
    Questions and observations;
    Can't quite imagine Doyle and Angel at an Ibsen play? Wes and Angel seem much more at home. Wes' remark of ET meaning Emma Thompson is SOOO him. Angel thinks Frank Langella is the best Dracula (did he ever meet the real deal? Langella doesn't physically resemble him). Wonder what he'd have made of his Oscar nominated turn in Frost vs Nixon? Angelus says he never killed a famous person which is reassuring.
    Marks out of 10; 8/10 good ep, nice character development and a little to say about Hollywood
    Stay tuned, hurricane Faith is on her way!saturn5
     
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    FIVE BY FIVE
    The Good;
    All of it, brilliant episode that gives Angel it's first 10/10 story. It's my all time favorite Angel ep AND contains my nearly all time favourite Angel moment, Wes coming across the weeping Faith in Angel's arms and dropping the knife.
    The Bad;
    If you think there's anything bad in this ep, go to the doctor because you're clearly crazy
    Best line:
    Cordy 'Generally you don't change a guy. Scratch the surface and what do you get? More surface!' (the events of Expecting still sting obviously)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Faith tortures Wes, horribly. She hurts Lee too but who cares? Darla describes killing children who 'squeal like little piggies', eugh!
    Apocalypses: 4
    Angel Cliches
    Damsel in distress; 15,
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; loathsome pimp picks up beautiful lost girl who then turns around and beats the crap out of him! Good for her!
    In disguise; 4, Angel masquerades as a lawyer
    DB get's his shirt off; 5
    Cordy's tattoo;3
    Cheap Angel; he doesn't carry any cash with him
    3
    Fang Gang in bondage: Wes tied to a chair
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 8
    Wes: 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Cordy and Wes
    Cordy: 9
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 4
    Doyle; 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel: 3 demons so 11 vamps, 9 and 1/2 demons, 2 humans.
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 1/2 a demon
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:
    25
    Recurring characters killed;
    2;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot: Angel by Faith
    Angel: 8,
    Packing heat; Angel tries to shoot Faith in the leg but fires blanks
    Wes; 2
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:
    Lindsey offers to 'get Faith off' but she's heard that from guys before (although Lilah promises she'll impress Faith?). The guy who picks Faith up at the bus station is clearly looking to be her pimp but she gives him what he deserves. In a blow to Cesly fans CC proclaims that hell will freeze over before she has sex with Wes. Faith dancing is always a highlight. Darla and Angel(us) refer to 'playing games'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Lilah picks Faith up in the club. Faith remarks she's not much of a talker, more of a doer
    Know the face, different character; 2
    Parking garages;
    4,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel;
    7; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith
    Questions and observations;
    Note that when Angel catches the crossbow bolt Faith fires at him it's nowhere near his heart, she just wants to goad him into the fight. At this stage Wolfram and Hart don't realise that they need Angel for their prophecy so are quite happy to try and kill him. We have flashbacks to resouled Angel having broken up with Darla, starving but isn't able to bring himself to kill in order to eat. All of the WR&H lawyers have the same initials, LM? How does Angel enter the thugs apartment when he's not invited? PTB or is the guy squatting?
    Marks out of 10; 10/10 my favourite Angel ep ever
     
  6. ToddKent

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    That what I was wondering as well. I think Angel said he went to the talk to the guy in the hospital so maybe he somehow wrangled an invitation?
     
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    So would that be Filah, Laith or (gods help us) Lilith? :)

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    I like the sound of Filah. If we used Lilith folks would think we were talking about Fraiser's wife. Personally I think Filah would have been cool, Faith rather than Wes winning Lilah over to the good guys

    SANCTUARY
    The Good;
    Just when you think it can't get any better, Buffy arrives and all is good with the world.
    The Bad;
    All still fantastic
    Best line:
    NEARLY-Detective (to Kate) Everyone knows you've gone all Scully
    Kate; Mulder's the believer, Scully's the skeptic
    Detective; Scully's the chick, right?
    but the winner, one of my favourites which I use all the time is;
    Buffy; "A cry for help is when you shout 'Help, help!' in a loud voice"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    For all those afraid of needles avoid the syringe scene. Faith's daydream about killing Angel
    Apocalypses: 4
    Angel Cliches
    Damsel in distress; 15,
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; the popcorn scene. Plus Wes calling Angel on his decision to protect Faith.
    In disguise; 3
    DB get's his shirt off; yep, in the shower again 6
    Cordy's tattoo;3
    Cheap Angel;
    3
    Fang Gang in bondage: Angel in cuffs and possibly Faith too
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 8
    Wes: 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 9
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 4
    Doyle; 1

    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel: 3 demons so 11 vamps, 9 and 1/2 demons, 2 humans.
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 1/2 a demon
    Kate; 3 vamps
    According to Boo's stats Faith has killed 16 vamps, 5 demons, 3 humans. Add another demon to the list here.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:
    25
    Recurring characters killed;
    2;

    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 8,
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 2
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:
    Faith let's slip that she's bedded Buffy's new beau, Riley Finn. Which is news to Angel! Does Cordy not keep touch with things in Sunnydale or did she just not want to tell him?
    Captain Subtext;
    Buffy refers to Faith's 'pouty lips and heaving bosom', interesting she thinks of her in that way? The rooftop scene feels riven with hidden passions. Buffy refers to Riley saying she trust him. Heading for a fall again. The Watcher's Council refer to the insult 'ponce' again.
    Know the face, different character; 2
    Parking garages;
    4,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Kate plans to throw Angel into a cell exposed to the rising sun.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 11
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla
    Questions and observations;
    What exactly does Angel do with the Watcher's team? Surely Kate must lock them up for turning the streets of LA into a bulletfest? Nice to see that Wes and Buffy are now on good terms, unfortunately this probably marks the nadir of the Buffy/Angel romance and the Kate/Angel relationship. Jelly doughnut's again, someone in the writing staff must have a thing for them. Buffy has the worst timing ever when walking in on Faith and Angel. How does Giles find out about Faith? Sources in the Watcher's council or do Wes or Cordy phone Sunnydale. Good acting by Wes, you really think he might have sided with the Watchers for a moment. How can Wes and Buffy just walk into the police station?
    Marks out of 10; 10/10 just great, stunning
     
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    ...or the biblical Adam's apocryphal first wife, the mother of demons.:)
     
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    I did think that too but again it would confuse people

    WAR ZONE

    The Good;

    Charlie Gunn, yay! David Nabbit too and some nice humour at the brothel (love the characterisation of the Madam, hard as nails but extremely streetwise as to the sensitive realities of her business)

    The Bad;

    Not much, good story although the slum allegory is laid on a bit thick.

    Best line:

    Gunn; "I don't need advice from some middle class white dude who's dead"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    A nasty incestuous vibe between Gunn and his vamped-sister.

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress; 15, in this case it's the male characters who need help

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; We expect a patrician speech from Angel to Gunn at the end. Instead Angel actually asks Gunn for his help in future, again recognising talent when he sees it. CC and Wes rescue Angel who forgets to use his mobile phone to get himself out of the meatlocker.

    In disguise; 4

    DB get's his shirt off; yep, Angel getting patched up so 7

    Cordy's tattoo;3

    Cheap Angel; A paying client for AI, Cordy must be so happy. Angel also wants to 'see the cheque'

    4

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 8
    Wes: 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 9
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 4
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel: 3 vamps and 1 demon for Angel so 4 demons so 14 vamps, 10 and 1/2 demons, 2 humans.
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 1/2 a demon

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Gunn;

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang: no but Angel refers to himself as Angelus to intimidate the other vamps
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed: 2 of Gunn's people killed.

    27

    Recurring characters killed;

    2;


    Total number of Angel Investigations: Gunn a long way from joining yet
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 8,

    Packing heat; no but one of Gunn's guys uses a flamethrowers which Wes will employ later to good effect.

    Wes; 2

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    Angel's entire visit to Madame Dorians and the David Mabbet stuff is just SOOO out there, especially the tail gag (this was the era of Madame Alex/Hedi Fleiss etc). That said of all the demon girls am I the only one to find Lina the only attractive one? One of the demons appears to be one of the girls from She, her Ko well and truly intact (hope she's still not burning people)Cordelia is once again tempted to prostitute herself to a wealthy man as she was in the pilot. Cordy says that David's name feels 'Good in her mouth'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I don't think even Faith would say that?)


    Captain Subtext;

    Not so subtle racial and social hints, even the vamps bemoan the sort of people they now have to feed on.

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    4,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Angel once again tortures a vamp

    Buffy characters on Angel; 11

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla

    Questions and observations;

    Gunn's strategy seems ok to me, taking the fight to the enemy rather than waiting until they come to you. By contrast Angel lets the vamps go at the end, to kill others? The vamps attacking Gunn's headquarters resemble the aliens in the War of the Worlds series. Both Angel and Gunn have killed their sisters.

    Marks out of 10; 6/10, an ok ep but one that's hard to watch at times, largely significant for the introduction of Gunn (and his truck) and his motivations
     
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    BLIND DATE

    The Good;

    Lindsay's dilemma and Angel's solution to it. The final battle. Best of all though has to be Gunn's entrance to WR&H, one day he'll have a very different persepctive. The mind-reader line up is also a winner.

    The Bad;

    Would WR&H really be so forgiving of Lindsey?

    Best line:

    Cordy; "Are you telling me self-mutilating psycho assassin chick reached enlightenment?"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?

    Angel shows remarkably little sympathy for Lindsey's story of his dead sibling but then he was from an age where most kids didn't make it out of infancy. Killing Lee is horrible, scumbag though he is, even Lilah has a horrified reaction to it, suggesting the woman beneath the mask.

    Apocalypses: 4

    Angel Cliches

    Damsel in distress;

    Inverting the Hollywood cliche; In every other genre handicapped people are inspirational, of course in the Jossverse they're EVIL!

    In disguise; 4

    DB get's his shirt off; 7

    Cordy's tattoo;3

    Cheap Angel;

    4

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 8
    Wes: 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 9
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 4
    Doyle; 1


    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel: 2 vamps and one human so 16 vamps, 10 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans.
    Doyle; 1 vamp

    Wes; 1/2 a demon

    Kate; 3 vamps

    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:

    25

    Recurring characters killed; byebye Lee although he's evil so screw him

    2;


    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 8,

    Packing heat;

    Wes; 2

    Doyle; 1

    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:

    Lee asks Lindsey does he find the assassin sexy, you get the impression they both do

    Captain Subtext;

    Holland really does treat Lindsey like he's his son or something.

    Know the face, different character; 2

    Parking garages;

    4,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters on Angel; 11, Cordy talks to Willow here but we don't see her. She says hello to Wes, AH and AD having just married

    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla

    Questions and observations;

    Vanessa Brewer is actually played by CC's stunt double, always nice when that happens (LL's stunt double on Xena would go on to play a recurring characters in the show). This also marks the entrance of the great Sam Anderson as Holland. Angel kills another human and has very little remorse about doing so, very different from Buffy. The scroll refers to the 'vampire with the soul', obstensibly Angel but by season 5 maybe Spike too?

    Marks out of 10; 8/10, good ep
     
  12. Mal

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    even a 5 seems generous.
    and why isn't 1x03 In The Dark called The Ring??? That would make a little more sense.

    sadly the next ep is no better:

    good question.

    8 is very high. the whole ep struck me as only slightly better than Cordy's play.
     
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    the thug wasn't in the apartment - he was in the hospital thanks to faith.

    what i want to know is how angel could crash through the window into Rebecca Lowell's home in Eternity?
     
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    I thought Eternity was fantastic, really really good for all the reasons I put in my post. The thug doesn't have to actually be in his apartment to invite Angel in, he could have done it at the hospital. In Eternity Rebecca invited Angel around to her house earlier when she was at his office

    TO SHANSHU IN LA
    The Good;
    My all time favourite moment in Angel is when he walks up to Lindsey clutching his stump, the music swells and Angel looks on him with buggerall sympathy. Such a powerful scene, you realise how much Angel loves Cordy in that moment and would fight his way to hell on her behalf. CCs acting as stricken Cordy is also great and love the doughnut scene. And THAT ending!
    The Bad;
    Gunn's prescence seems a bit shoe-horned in, they're obviously thinking about making him a regular. Same for David Nabbit. Kate seems to want to make Angel hang around to make a statement which is weird as she's prepared to let him just walk away the rest of the time.
    Best line:
    "Don't believe everything your foretold, Lindsey" (why doesn't he just kick him in the head whilst he's at it?)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Severed hands. Voca's mask. Angel is also quite brutal with Kate. Lilah mentions a past WR&H employee who was made to eat his own liver as pennance for failing the senior partners.
    Apocalypses: 4
    Angel Cliches
    Damsel in distress; 15,
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 4
    DB get's his shirt off; 7
    Cordy's tattoo;3
    Cheap Angel;
    4
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 8
    Wes: 2

    Fang gang knocked out: Wes by the explosion
    Cordy: 9
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel; 2 demons so 16 vamps, 12 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 1/2 a demon
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:
    25
    Recurring characters killed; bye-bye the Oracles which is a shame as I liked them, I didn't think they COULD be killed
    4;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 8,
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 2
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:
    Naked Darla in a box, bet you can't order that on Amazon!
    Captain Subtext;
    Know the face, different character; 2
    Parking garages;
    4,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Buffy characters on Angel; 11
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla
    Questions and observations;
    Wes once again makes a biblical reference which Watcher's are wont to do. The promise of great things to come, Darla in the box. Interestingly you can bring a vamp back from the dead as they attempted to do in 'When she was bad', a technique often used in fanfic for bringing back Angel, souled-Spike or any of the good guys who've been vamped if they've been killed in a story. Cordy refers to 'The old me' indicating personal growth. Of course we assume the 'Vamp with a soul' is Angel but it could just as easily be season 5 Spike?
    Marks out of 10; 9/10, very good ep with my all time favourite Angel scene.
     
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    great ep. not sure if it's i'd agree on greatest (and certainly not a 10). but then, i'm reluctant to give my favorite hour of TV ever, anything over a 9.

    the flashback scene after angel is re-ensouled and "begs" for not-money, but the woman, is poorly executed.


    um, no.
    best line:
    shut up, wesley :evil:

    best comeback:
    i was your watcher faith. i know the real you. even if you kill me there's just one thing i want you to remember [what's that love?]: you are a piece of shit.
     
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    Actually I wrote that review before I saw Orpheus and it's now my favourite with 5x5 my favourite scene, just pipping Wes cutting of Lilah's head

    JUDGEMENT
    The Good;
    Jousting in LA, even in Tinseltown that must be a rare enough sight.
    The Bad;
    A fairly slow opener for a season that will eventually start firing on all cylinders
    Best line:
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The demon who sings at Caritas is 'Gorshak the Child-eater'? His pick is 'Achy breaky heart' (I'm not sure which is worse?)
    Apocalypses: 4
    Angel Cliches
    Damsel in distress; 16, yep, she sure is
    Inverting the Hollywood cliche;
    Angel the hero actually kills the damsel in distress' protector by accident
    In disguise; 4
    DB get's his shirt off; 7
    Cordy's tattoo;3
    Cheap Angel;
    4
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 8
    Wes: 2

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 9
    Angel: 10
    Wes: 5
    Doyle; 1
    Kills:
    Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
    Angel; 4 demons for Angel so 16 vamps, 16 and 1/2 demons, 3 humans
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 1/2 a demon
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 16 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; one more vamp so 4 in all.
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 2

    Alternate Fang Gang:
    Cordy: 2
    Angel: 6

    Characters killed:
    25
    Recurring characters killed;
    4;
    Total number of Angel Investigations:
    3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 8,
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 2
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 1

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
    Angel: 1;Buffy

    Kinky dinky:
    Wes seems to attract the attention of a beautiful girl in a bar. The first hints of the love affair between Lindsey and Darla.
    Captain Subtext;
    From the beginning a very flirtatious relationship between Lorne and Angel. Gunn comments that he's seen Wes before in bed which Wes takes a lot of exception to. Cordy points out that if Angel joins a gym he'll have to shower with naked men but he says he'll always be a loner.
    Know the face, different character; 2
    Parking garages;
    4,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Angel beats up Merl and kills an innocent
    Buffy characters on Angel; 11
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla
    Questions and observations;
    The Introduction of Lorne for the first time, no sign yet that he'll become such an important character. Pretty obvious he's inspired by Barney from Parting Gifts. Angel Investigations have been busy over the summer with at least 6 cases according the whiteboard. First appearance of Merl and first meeting of Gunn, Cordy and Wes. Wonderful to see Angel visit Faith, such a lovely touch. So what happens to the mother and child? Often in fanfic whatever goes wrong in the Buffyverse that kid turns up to set it right. When Angel meets Gunn he inquires after his health as Gunn said he should in Blind Date. Jo is played by Justina Machado who played Rico's wife in the wonderful Six Feet Under, a show that not only guest starred Michelle Tractenberg and Eric Balfour (Jesse) but at one point her characters' actress sister appears to be guest-starring on Angel (or possibly Charmed?)
    Marks out of 10; 6/10, the opening and ending are probably better than the rest of the ep.
     
  18. Wereghost

    Wereghost Part-time poltergeist Commodore

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    I kind of liked Eternity too.
    Best line in To Shanshu In LA:
    Cordy: "Typical. I hook up with the only person in history who ever came to LA to get older."
    Nine out of ten for this episode. I don't know what David Greenwalt was taking, but it seems to have produced results. Angel's tradition of pulling the rug out from under everyone's feet probably began with this episode. Some fine visuals, too; that explosion looks expensive.
     
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  19. Mal

    Mal Commodore Commodore

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    well, if this is any indication of what BTVS is like, i think i'll pass (god, is she always this annoyingly melodramatic?!?) ... although... is there a Buffy ep that serves as the backstory to Five by Five and Sanctuary?

    i'm gonna say that the scene with the second assassin was stupid: this is strictly a hand-shake deal; not that it's necessary for you to have hands for us to do business with you; that was speciesist of me... blah, blah, slurping coffee.

    the watchers-in-the-bar scene was spot on (so british!). totally made up for it.

    I'm a detective, Kendric. See, I'm detecting.

    granted. great line.

    i'd nominate Angel smacking Buffy.

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    i'd hit it :evil:


    i really like how Angel tells Buff to stay the fuck out of his town. kind of like they should all stay the fuck out of his show :)

    here's my question:
    when Wes and Angel have the debate on whether or not to help Faith, at first it's Wes who wants to help her (she's a human being), and later it's Angel who says the same thing. Why is it suddenly all-important that Faith is human? I thought I've got you under my skin established that humans can be totally evil, while Hero showed us that there are not-evil demons. so the bottom-line question should have been: is Faith evil? to which the answer is clearly no, and so she must be helped. not cause she's human.

    so how's this work?
     
  20. Mal

    Mal Commodore Commodore

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    you should have tried to call us on your cell phone. you probably forgot you had it.

    these things hardly ever work. besides it was a lot easier and quicker to just... look, i'm the boss here. i say when we use the cell phones, and people are going to die, and i have to go

    :guffaw:


    did they know during this episode that Gunn was going to be a permanent addition?

    also, wesley: wtf?!?!

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