Angel ep by ep; rewatch and reviews

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  1. saturn5

    saturn5 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    1. Guy?:wtf:
    2. No prude, people want to dress up and play the viking and the princess fine :lol: but hardly an obsession?

    UNDERNEATH
     
    The Good;
    All the Lindsey stuff is great and love the appearance of Marcus and everyone's reaction to it. Love the Spike/Angel conference complete with beer.
    The Bad;
    How does Lindsey know Fred and Cordy are dead? Or is he referring to Doyle and Gunn? You can see the perspective gag when Marcus punches through the security guard. The background on the roof set which Wes and Illyria stand on is obviously fake.
    Best line;
    Angel; "Bad things always happen here, Spike"
    Spike; "Hate to break it to you mate but bad things happen everywhere"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Lindsey/Gunn have their own personal torture chamber. Spike just picks up the hearts with his bare hands.
    Apocalypses: 5 Spike and Angel have a discussion over what qualifies as an apocalypse. Lindsey informs them they're actually living in an apocalypse.
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Marcus doesn't want to fight, just to get Eve to sign her contract.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19, Lorne takes the bullets out of Spike
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 67 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang; suburban Gunn
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: poor WR&H security guard
    2265
    Recurring characters killed; Eve realises that she's going to die just like Anya in Buffy.
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot: Spike and Angel
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat; not the gang but you've got to love a series with Uzi toting soccer moms! (Sarah Palin?)
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike talks about 'pounding the neighbours wife'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Angel and Lorne comment on how well dressed Marcus is. Lindsey's wife is very reminiscent of Darla, you wonder if Angel and Spike are thinking that when then they open the door. Gunn obviously wants to be punished. Illyria says 'We' are so weak?
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages; oh yeah
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Harmony has been told 'No torture' by Angel. Lorne is shocked when Angel reveals he left Gunn behind. The Wrath!
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .
    Missing scenes;
    Questions and observations;
    Spike refers to Knightrider, he shouldn't have teased the Geeks! Spike asks what the collective name for the Angel gang is, we never quite decided, like AI and the Fang Gang personally. It's actually Spike who comes up with the idea of talking to Eve. Harmony in the title sequence, how great, MM in the show right from the pilot, now a regular. They talked about the Lorne Green idea before in Happy Anniverasry. Am I missing something about Wes' joke? The world without shrimp is referenced again, this time the world with it. Eve is the child of the senior partners but doesn't even know who or what they are? But surely Illyria does? Are all the inhabitants in the holding dimension prisoners? Do we ever see Gunn in his suit again? And he's shaved his head. Surely he must wear a suit for court? The partners obviously think a lot of Lindsey, keeping him alive to decide if he'll still be useful. What does 'blocking' mean? It's been 4 months since 'You're welcome'. Gunn actually comes across really well as the family man. Does Marcus represent the WB suits who cancelled Angel?
    Marks out of 10; 8/10 for the holding dimension stuff alone
     
  2. saturn5

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    ORIGIN

    The Good;
    Great final confrontation and like the way that Spike is so possessive of his clipboard. Powerful performance from Wes who grows ever more derranged as he suspects Angel has betrayed them.

    The Bad;
    ?

    Best line;
    Connor; (eying Illyria) "Sorry, always had a thing for older women"
    Angel; (muttering) "They were supposed to fix that"
    Connor; "What?"
    Angel; "Nothing"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Gunn has his heart ripped out on a daily basis.

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche;
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5

    Kills; Angel kills at least 5 demons, Connor kills 2
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2265

    Recurring characters killed;
    12

    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Wes refers to them running out of people.
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1

    Packing heat;
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike refers to Illyria as a 'filthy harlot'. Connor fancies her, once again a thing for older women, a teenage boy's lust so powerful even magic can't change it. Illyria wants to keep Spike as her pet.

    Captain Subtext;
    Marcus tells Angel he and Angel won't be having sex on the couch 'anytime soon'. But doesn't rule it out entirely? Angel's 'Do I look 500?' joke perhaps a comment on immortal Angel looking noticeably older. Check out the little look Illyria gives Harmony as she walks out of Wes' office. Hmmmm? Connor wonders if Sajhan wants to kiss him?

    Know the face, different character; 7

    Parking garages;
    10,

    Guantanamo Bay;

    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.

    What the fanficcers thought; .
    A few nice fics regarding what would happen is Connor and Dawn hitched up. What would the children of the son of 2 vampires and The Key be like?

    Missing scenes;

    Questions and observations;
    Never liked Connor but much like Riley in 'As You Were' he's much easier to accept in small doses. Anne Rice bashed. Good! Was it Cyrus Vail that made Sajhan incorporeal? What courage Gunn shows although you'd have liked to have heard what Marcus was going to offer him? You forget that Sajhan never met adult Connor so has no idea who he is. Does everyone now remember about Connor or just Illyria, Connor and Wes?
    Marks out of 10; 8/10 here begins the rehabilitation of Connor for me frankly
     
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    Yeah, I was really hoping for at least a Season 6 so we'd get a sense for how Joss might blend the two characters (Illyria/Fred) into the show. I think it would have been primarily Illyria with shades of Fred creeping in now and then but it's hard to say.
     
  4. saturn5

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    Yeah, it's interesting and a great performance from Amy as she is able to swap so effortlessly between Illyria and Fred in the final few episodes, especially interesting in regard to the multipile personalities we see in Dollhouse, maybe that's where they got the idea.
    But more on that in the final few eps:)
     
  5. saturn5

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    TIME BOMB
    The Good;
    Great performance from mad Wes and lovely scenes between him and Gunn making up
    The Bad;
    In any show featuring time travel it's always a bit of a cheat to kill characters knowing you can just click your fingers and bring them back.
    Best line;
    Marcus; "Curing cancer Mr Pryce?"
    Wes; "Wouldn't be cost effective. I'm sure we make a lot of money from cancer"
    Marcus; "True, the patent holder is a client"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    The Breathren want to feed their baby messiah consecrated urine and panda meat. I'm not sure which is worse?
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; evil demon Fell Breathren all paternal (and rather camp?) about the coming baby. They also like organic cola.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19,
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2265
    Recurring characters killed; everyone but then they come back
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat;
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Gunn suggests they keep Illyria in a leash. Spike refers to 'Dear Penthouse'.
    Captain Subtext;
    Illyria says that adaptation is compromise and Spike teases her about learning and the Internet. Again, we see why humans rule the world and demons don't.
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Suspicion of each other has started to pull AI apart, they don't trust each other anymore?
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .
    Angel travelling in time used by many fanficcers to rescue characters from all sorts of trouble.
    Missing scenes;
    Questions and observations;
    Wes suggests they keep Illyria as an asset and he's to be proven correct. Jamie Bergman of course is Mrs Boreanaz and a Playboy Playmate. Has she turned up in Bones yet? Anyone else worry that Wes is slowly becoming Illyria's high priest? Marcus suggests that Angel has gone from front runner in the earning stakes to back of the pack, a hint of Angel's history at the WB? When did the 1000 year war begin? Anyone else think that Illyria reminds you of Lady Gaga? Jim Jones was a religious cult leader who led his followers into mass suicide in the South American jungle.
    Here Angel get's the idea for the story arc in the last few eps.
    Marks out of 10; 7/10 I think the Illyria storyline drags on too long
     
  6. saturn5

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    THE GIRL IN QUESTION
    The Good;
    Personally I think it's worth it just to see 50s Spike and Dru in their chic Fellini phase. Also stunning to see Amy Acker switch from Fred to Illyria and back in the blink of an eye. Love the slow-motion fight in the nightclub.
    The Bad;
    DB's Irish accent, thankfully the last time we'll hear it.
    Best line;
    Ilona; "The gypsies are a filthy people and we shall talk of them no more!" (the line that stays with you from this ep)
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Mucho racism against gypsies! And against Americans (which of course neither Spike or Angel are) and some great cliches about Italians both negative (feckless, excitable, untrustworthy) and positive (cultured, stylish, charming). Also it's a little bad taste for Spike to have kept Nicky's jacket all these years, especially when Robin Wood was around.
    Apocalypses: 5 Spike queries that defeating the Mayor or Jasmine really counts as saving the world?
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; our cool heroes Spike and Angel are defeated and humiliated by the infinitely cooler Immortal.
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20 shirtless Spike but oddly not Angelus?
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills;
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: Angelus kills one of the Immortal's lackeys.
    2265
    Recurring characters killed;
    12
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot: no but Spike and Angel get blown up
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat; Spike says they'll need lots of guns which may be a Matrix ref.
    Wes; 13
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 4
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5

    Notches on Fang Gang bedpost: Angel describes himself as 'Seeing Nina' but denies she's his girlfriend. The Immortal of course is an eternal being who may or may not be evil, just as Buffy likes them. Spike says he knows he hasn't a shot with Buffy but still loves her. The bartender comments that the Immortal's girlfriends come and go. So this makes Buffy's track record;
    Buffy: 4 confirmed; Angel, Parker, Riley, Spike. 4 possible, Dracula+RJ+Shadowmen's demon and The Immortal(?)
    almost certain that Buffy and the Immortal have sex but we've never see it so unconfirmed, all we're told is that they snuggle. But then she's done that with Scott Hope, Owen and Jeffery.
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Spike tells Angel to 'Wank off!' The Immortal seems to have enjoyed a threesome with Darla and Dru which the pair are reluctant to do with Spike and Angelus. The Immortal didn't hurt Darla until she asked him to and describes him as insatiable and their sex as really great fornification. Dru refers to playing 'Pony'. Angelus once again declares that nuns are 'his thing'. The bartender describes Buffy as a 'girl gone wild'. Spike thinks that sex makes a relationship if you do it enough (good thing he never tells Angel about him and Buffy getting to fifth base on the balcony at the Bronze!). Trish Burkle seems very fond of Wes.
    WR&H Rome CEO is a knockout. Literally, I think her amazing breasts would knock you out if you got too close (but what a way to be rendered unconscious!). She also seems like a past amour of The Immortal and considers their dealings 'most satisfactory'. Angel refers to The Immortal eating Buffy's cookie dough. Andrew appears to be going on a date with a pair of beautiful Italian girls, has he become a Casanova or.....?
    Captain Subtext;
    ....are they his 'fag hags' to quote Will and Grace? Loads of Spike and Angel bonding despite Angel commenting it's not 'About us' and referring to themselves as 'Partners'. Angelus' threat to shove the henchmen's arrows 'slowly up their arses' is rife with not so subtle gay innuendo as is the use of the phrase 'had us tossed'. Dru and Darla enjoy a threesome with the Immortal and then like to bathe together. Dru likes Darla to hold her underwater? Spike calls the Immortal a ponce. When they're on the scooter Spike tell Angel not to hold so tight. The male demon admits he's in love with the Immortal.
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
     
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .
    Lot's of fic where the Immortal saves everyone from every possible fate that has befallen them. Lot's more slashfic when we see him with Spike and Angelus and sometimes both at once. Also a lovely one where Dawn has The Talk with The Immortal just as Joyce had with Angel, telling him that if he loves Buffy he must let her go.
    Missing scenes;
    Rumour has it that SMG was willing to appear in this ep but Joss declined as he thought that the ep should be about the Angel characters alone and she would steal the show. Also rumoured that the Immortal would be played by Freddie Prinze aka Mr SMG or Christian Slater meaning that Buffy had fufilled her ambitions in the movie of graduate, go to Europe, marry Christain Slater and die. Then again maybe the Immortal is more of a Hugh Hefner/Errol Flynn sort of character and Buffy is just his latest Girl of the Immortal's Mansion? (RJ aside she always did have a thing for older men)
    Another theory I've heard is that we don't see the real Buffy in season 5 and Willow doesn't come to help Fred because Buffy IS the mad girl in the asylum we see in Normal Again and regained her sanity after the end of Chosen. Angel was another inmate in the asylum who shared her fantasy but now that Buffy has regained her normal life Willow no longer exists because she's a delusion based on Buffy's friend Cassandra, still alive because the events of the film never happened, Buffy is now busy catching up on all the school she missed. This spurs Angel to come out of his own delusion and regain his sanity at the end of his own series.
    Questions and observations;
    We never see Gunn in his suit again. Lorne seems to be drinking a lot, we hardly ever see him now without a glass in his hand. Did Wes never tell Fred's family what happened to her? So is this really Buffy? According to the comics this is actually a decoy she set up because she's actually in Scotland but maybe that's AFTER this episode? Surely Spike and Angel would be able to tell her by her scent alone? Sadly the last time we'll see Darla, Dru and Andrew. What does 'Ragazza' mean? The chase scene may be a homage to The Pink Panther. Spike refers to 'shemps' from the 3 stooges. Illyria appears to be developing human feelings. Personally I agree with Wes, as long as Illyria can always keep up the pretence it's kinder to the Burkles to have them think that Fred is still alive.
    I think a lot of people dislike this ep as we see our cool heroes humiliated by the much cooler Immortal but I think it's great. Andrew says that Buffy loves both Angel and Spike which the comics bear out. Personally I think Buffy/human Angel with resouled/human Dru as the girl for Spike, Spike in all honesty knowing he's not the guy. You must remember that the Immortal is not the long term guy as he doesn't age and Buffy does, as the bartender and Andrew point out they can't be together for long.
    Marks out of 10; 8/10
     
     
  7. saturn5

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    POWER PLAY
    The Good;
    Drogan and Illyria play Crash Bandicoot. Angel reveals his devious side and Illyria starts to embrace her humanity.
    The Bad;
    When Angel arrives at WR&H's offices it's night but when he walks into his office it's day. Angel threatens Lorne with a neck hold but we know Lorne can be decapitated and survive? But maybe that's the point?
    Best line;
    Lindsey; "They're a secret socitey"
    Gunn; "Never heard of them"
    Lindsey; "That's because they're SECRET!"
    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Drogan tortured and killed is horrible. Also nasty to see Marcus pounding Illyria.
    Apocalypses: 5
    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Angel kills Drogan!
    In disguise; 8
    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20
    Cheap Angel; 8
    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5
    Kills; Illyria kills the demon, Angel kills Drogan
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
    Angel; 48 vamps, 72 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 13 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
    Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine
    Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
    Fang Gang go evil: we almost think Angel does
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed: 4 civilians plus Drogan
    2269
    Recurring characters killed; Drogan
    13
    Total number of Angel Investigations; 5, Illyria goes hunting with Spike, starting to become one of the gang
    Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1
    Packing heat; Wes confronts Angel with a shotgun but Angel takes it off him
    Wes; 14
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 5
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5
    Notches on the Scooby bedpost; Angel beds Nina, possibly the healthiest relationship he ever actually has?
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 7; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve, Nina
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Nina rumages in her bedside drawer for her stake. She finds something similar in shape and size but declares 'That's not a stake'? (does it take batteries, perhaps?). She refers to Angel's Rome friend and worries he was thinking of her (another petite blonde with supernatural abilities). Angel has obviously rocked her world to judge by her remarks, she agrees with the Furies. Oddly she suggests that Angel makes love on the beach 'by himself'? Illyria states that she and Wes are no longer having intercourse which Spike misunderstands.
    Captain Subtext;
    Spike empathises with Illyria and they develop quite a nice relationship so late in the day. Is the demonic female senator aiming to be president in 2008 a parody of Hilary Clinton? Angel refers to him and Spike being intimate once but he may be referring to the events of 'Just Rewards'. Spike refers to frat boys paddling each other's behinds to prove their manhood.
    Know the face, different character; 7
    Parking garages;
    10,
    Guantanamo Bay;
    Drogan tortures the demon assassin whilst Angel sacrifices him for the greater good. Angel says that Lorne was amoral in his running of Caritas, he has a point. The gang want to torture Lindsey again but don't have to.
    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
    What the fanficcers thought; .

    Missing scenes;
    Questions and observations;
    Stacey Travis who plays the Senator was in a great old low budget Brit sci-fi movie called Hardware along with a pre-Hamburger Hill/The Practice Dylan McDermmott. Did Marcus Hainsley install her in that body? Drogan is apparently over 1000 years old and linked to the Watcher's Council. According to the comics Nina does stay in LA for the apocalypse. Nina says that Angel is a bad liar but as events prove he's actually brilliant. Illyria wishes she was still in the Deeper Well. Marcus and Drogan are old acquaintances. Flashback to CC the last we'll see of her. Did you notice the Senator's election rival is Joss Whedon?
    The Circle of the Black Thorn very Halloween 6. They're an obvious convenient story twist to give the series some closure in just a few eps but it's a fascinating invention. Do they represent the executive board of the WB? Does Marcus buy Angel's act or is he always suspicious?
    Marks out of 10; 7/10
     
  8. lvsxy808

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    Oh absolutely. I love that they went to so much trouble for just a three-second scene. But the result is just so hilarious, it's totally worth it.

    "Ciao." "Ciao." "Ciao." "Ciao." "Ciao."

    Seriously. I'm amazed that there was no-one English on the set to correct them, because that does SO not mean what they're trying to use it to mean. Despite excellent fake British accents by JM and AD, the dialogue always lets them down when it comes to genuine English slang and swearing. It's cringe-worthy every time.

    I think the most likely explanation is simply that they're Potentials and he's their chaperone.

    And "fag hag" is a term WAAAY older than W&G. They old sold it to the middle-America hausfraus.

    Only in the same way that Doyle admitted he was a little in love with Angel after watching him swoop away dramatically one time.

    I think they humiliate themselves. All the scrapes they get into are their own doing because of their silly competitiveness over Buffy.

    I believe that's the implication, yes. One of those, if they catch they catch it, if they don't they don't things.
     
  9. saturn5

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    Interesting theory on Andrew's Potentials. You must remember that Spike is an upper class boy pretending to be a yob, a mockney so maybe it's realistic that he's not convincing sometimes

    And so it ends, a series that started for me 17 years ago when I went to see the original Buffy movie in the cinema ends tonight with the final ep of Angel."If we should meet again we shall drink deep and laugh long err this rememberance. And if we should not, then this is a parting well made"

    NOT FADE AWAY
     
    The Good;
    The last day for the staff of Angel Investigations (especially poignant for Lorne/Andy Hallet who sings a wonderful version of 'If I ruled the world'). The final battles, Illyria and Lindsey in particular making great entrances. The twists in the tale. Also it's a small scene but love Harmony and Angel's little heart to heart, so very different but so very alike, Harmony actually misses being human a little but she's still evil.

    The Bad;
    Why didn't Joss do a commentary for the last ep of one of his finest creations? Richard Burton is a Welsh actor, not English. Angel says he doesn't remember what it was like to be human but he was human only 4 years ago in 'I will remember you' which was more recently than Harmony was (or was he leading Harmony on?). Jeff Bell's right, the cloaks the Fell Breathren wear make them look like football players on the bench.

    Best line; plenty to choose from, best written shows on TV and they saved some of the best until last;
    Angel; (getting pounded by Marcus) "Kinda hoped the fight would be going a little better"
    followed by
    Connor (punching Marcus and sending him flying) "Care about that dress for less!"
    then
    Marcus "I am a child of the Senior Partners, their strength flows through my veins, my blood is filled with their ancient power"
    Angel (vamping out and biting him) "Can you guess the one word you shouldn't have mentioned?"
    plus
    Eve; "Are you sure you can handle the Sharvin?"
    Lindsey; "They're sending me out with karaoke boy, how dangerous can it be?"
    (oh the irony!)
    Lorne; (shooting Lindsey) "I've heard you sing!"
    and
    Angel; (as WR&H collapses) "Time to go!"
    Eve; "Go WHERE?"
    also where else on TV would you get the line, Angel "The Fell Breathren, I want the baby returned to its' mother and the foster family dismembered"

    Jeez, how did they get away with that?
    Illyria makes trophies of the bad guys spines, glad we didn't get to see the eyeball thing! Gunn gives the demon Senator a splitting headache. Illyria gives Vail the mother of all uppercuts. Angel gets his own pen through his hand. It's a disgusting line but always makes me laugh, Vail "I crap better magic than this"

    Apocalypses: 5

    Angel Cliches
    Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Lorne kills Lindsey, the clown becomes a tragic figure, much as in King Lear, his leaving incredibly poignant. We think Lindsey might actually be redeemed in typical Angel fashion but instead he gets two in the chest.

    In disguise; 8

    DB/JM get's his shirt off; 20

    Cheap Angel; 8

    Fang Gang in bondage:
    Cordy: 5
    Angel: 15
    Wes: 8
    Gunn; 8
    Lorne; 6
    Fred; 5
    Spike; 6

    Fang gang knocked out:
    Cordy: 15
    Angel: 20
    Wes: 10
    Doyle; 1
    Gunn; 4
    Lorne; 8
    Groo; 1
    Connor; 1
    Faith; 1
    Fred; 7
    Spike; 5

    Kills; Angel kills Marcus, Sebassis and the Pee-Pee demon. Illyria finally in the gang and kills Izzie, 3 humans(?) and Vail. Gunn kills the demon Senator and at least 2 of her vamps. Spike kills at least 3 of the Fell breathren. Lorne, who in 4 years of the most violent show on TV never killed anything kills Lindsey.
    Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons- 9 kills including those on Buffy
    Angel; 48 vamps, 74 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 14 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg- 144 kills including those on Buffy
    Doyle; 1 vamp
    Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs-32 kills
    Kate; 3 vamps
    Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.- 34 kills including those on Buffy
    Gunn; 13 vamps+ 16 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.- 35
    Groo; 1 demon
    Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies-22
    Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 demons, Jasmine-26
    Spike; 21 vamps, 15 demons+1 human+one parasite-38
    Illyria; 1 devil, 3 humans and whatever Cyrus Vail is?-5
    Lorne; 1 human
    so in the course of 5 seasons AI kill over 300 beings and they're the good guys! Most violent show on TV by a long chalk!

    Fang Gang go evil:
    Cordy: 3
    Angel: 3
    Gunn; 1
    Wes; 1

    Alternate Fang Gang;
    Cordy: 4
    Angel: 12
    Fred; 3
    Wes; 1
    Gunn; 2
    Connor; 1
    Lorne; 1

    Characters killed:
    2268

    Recurring characters killed; goodbye Wes. Gunn, Spike, Lorne etc have all made incredible emotional journey's over the course of the show but when you think how Wes first appeared in his Buffy debut 'Bad Girls' and how he dies here the contrast is INCREDIBLE! Yet totally believeable, a tribute to both writers and actor.
    Perhaps I should include Lindsey too? But ultimately Angel believes he's evil and Lorne agrees having heard him sing. I'm not sure if he's evil per se as just ruthless in the pursuit of what he wants and jealous of Angel? If Angel hadn't taken over WR&H would he ever have come back to LA? Both he and Angel ignore the advice they gave each other at the end of Dead End and both pay for it.
    People have pointed out that the only characters to feature in both the first and last eps of Angel;TS are Angel and Lindsey. But actually, excluding Buffy guest stars, the only regular or recurring characters to survive from the first season of the show to the end of the last episode are Angel, a dying Gunn and Kate who's off being an Assistant DA in New York.
    14-Angel kills off a regular or recurring character every 7-8 episodes, like Buffy, the most ruthless show on TV

    Total number of Angel Investigations; 6 with Illyria finally coming on board for the final battle but down to 4 in the end with Wes dead and Lorne gone.
    Angel, Gunn, Illyria, Spike
    Personally I think my favourite Angel line up is that we see in Couplet-Angel, Cordy, Wes, Gunn, Fred, Lorne and the Groo. Over the course of the 5 seasons we have Doyle, Cordy, Fred and Wes die, Lorne, Connor and the Groo leave of the their own accord and Spike and Ilyria join to replace them.

    Angel Investigations shot:
    Angel: 15
    Wes; 2
    Spike; 1

    Packing heat; Lorne kills Lindsey with a silenced pistol
    Wes; 14
    Doyle; 1
    Angel; 5
    Gunn; 3
    Fred; 5
    Lorne; 1

    Notches on the Scooby bedpost;
    Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
    Angel: 7; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve, Nina
    Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
    Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
    Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
    Groo; 1Cordy
    Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

    Kinky dinky:
    Harmony and Hamilton get it on, Harmony gorgeous in her undies as Playboy fans can attest to. Wes wonders if he should spend his last day with Mistress Spanksalot, is she the person he referred to with the handcuffs in Over the Rainbow? Whilst Spike wows the crowd with his poem dedicated to Cecilly/Halfyrek you wonder what they made of 'The Wanton folly of my mum"?
    "You gave me life,
    I sired you,
    You claimed that I,
    Desired you
    You begged me so to take you
    Appalled I then did stake you..."
    Connor wonders if it's the werewolf side of things that attracts Angel to Nina and asks if there's "Fur flying". Connor now remembers his fling with Cordelia and thinks it 'Inappropriately erotic'. Lindsey comments that Eve is the one thing of his Angel never got his hands on, she doesn't seem to have told Lindsey about her Halloween tryst with him.

    Captain Subtext;
    Illyria starts to show feelings for Wes and Gunn, maybe too late for both. Angel gives Marcus a hell of a hickey! When Angel boasts to Connor about his nice handwriting Connor replies "You girl!" Nice little goodbyes between Wes and Gunn, Wes and Angel and Lorne. Angel tells Sebassis that if he wants to kill Spike then they may have to kiss. Angel tells Lindsey "I want you" but both decide he should rephrase that remark. Illyria-as-Fred refers to Wes as 'My Wesley', just as Lilah calls him in 'Home'.

    Know the face, different character; 7

    Parking garages;
    10,

    Guantanamo Bay;
    Angel and co discover that all the evil in the world is run by this secret society and decide to change things by slaughtering each and every one of them and to hell with the consequences! Angel's method of killing Sebassis is particularly clever, a real Keyzer Soze moment.

    Buffy characters on Angel; 17
    Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.

    What the fanficcers thought; .
    Plenty of fanfic concentrating on what happened after the final fadeout. Buffy and co showing up and annihilating the demon armies as part of Angel's trap a firm favourite or Angel zapping them all into another dimension which is why he chose the old magic alley where Connor was born etc. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3106151/1/The_Last_Night Plenty of Buffy/Angel live happily ever after fic and just as much Buffy/Spike. Also read a couple of nice ones about Harmony, one where she opens up Angel's reference for her, reads it out loud and promptly bursts into flames due to the spell concealed in the wording and one where she opens it up, reads it out loud and promptly get's her soul restored by the same. Plus Connor and Dawn hooking up.
    Oh, plus Wes and Mistress Spanksalot
    Happy endings for any fanfic that upset you here; http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4643199/1/The_Rape_of_Buffy (don't be fooled by the title)

    Missing scenes;
    Now if you read the comics Angel defeats WR&H's armies by convincing the dragon to change sides and then saves Gunn by vamping him as he did with the sailor Lawson in 'Why we fight'. He and the others then make their way through post-apocalyptic Hell-on-earth-LA with ghost Wes as his advisor.
    Questions and observations;
    Angel turns the power of the senior partners against them, taking the power of Marcus' blood and using it to defeat him. Does this now mean that Angel is a child of the senior partners? What happens to Eve? Does she survive the fall of WR&H? Where does Lorne go, back to Pylea?
    Whenever I watch the last ep of Buffy I always drink a bottle of champagne at the end. Don't do that with Angel, it has a different vibe to it. But just as good! Connor goes from a dislikeable character in season 3/4 to an acceptable one in 'Origin' to actually likeable here. So wonderful to see Anne again, lovely touch. So if Angel has signed away his destiny to become human does that mean it's definitely Spike? Is that why Marcus is now prepared to kill Angel? Are Illyria's tears all part of her Fred illusion or are they real and for Wes? Who are the producers Jeff Bell thanks but is not allowed to mention? Spike refers to the 'Manson family' whom he also mentioned in The Yoko factor (their infamous massacre supposedly inspired by the Beatles' song Helter Skelter which was one of Adam's favourites). Gunn refers to Illyria as Blue Thunder. Wes says the first lesson of being a Watcher is to seperate truth from illusion. On TV there's a small thank you scene to the fans at the end of the ep but not on the DVDs.
    Marks out of 10; need you ask? 10/10
    Jeff Bell thanks us for watching the series. No Jeff, thank you and everyone else for making it. Angel and co are still out there slaying the dragon. And so should we be. C'mon everybody let's go to work!

    Ok, Dollhouse season 2 next
     
  10. Wereghost

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    The Buffyverse's live-action incarnation went out on a high note with this fast-moving, sharply-scripted, poignant and witty send-off.

    I concur on all points. It looks like JW in particular was giving it his all. Aside from the dialogue you mentioned, I like:

    1.
    ANGEL: Then we're all agreed.
    SPIKE: Yeah, we're all one big happy Manson family.

    2.
    VAIL: We're interested in Mr. Wyndham-Price. He seems intriguingly unstable.
    SENATOR: Mr. Gunn, on the other hand, does not, which is a pity. He had so much potential.
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    ANGEL: If the next words out of your mouth are "Kill Spike", we just might have to kiss.
    (smirks)

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    LINDSEY: What are you thinking about?
    EVE: Angel.
    LINDSEY: (stares away) You simply couldn't have said a worse thing than that.

    4.
    SPIKE: Can I deny you three times?

    5.
    HAMILTON: Why do you keep fighting? You signed away your Shanshu. There's nothing in it for you anymore.
    ANGEL: People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do.
    HAMILTON: Yeah, but we won't care.

    6.
    LINDSEY: Those guys were chumps.
    LORNE: Now they're chunks.

    7.
    Nice to see Spike appreciated for his rendition of the old ode to Cecily. I wonder if he's aware that D'Hoffryn extinguished her.
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    SPIKE:
    "My soul is wrapped in harsh repose,
    midnight descends in raven-colored clothes,
    but soft...behold!
    A sunlight beam
    cutting a swath of glimmering gleam.
    My heart expands,
    'tis grown a bulge in it,
    inspired by your beauty...
    effulgent."

    MAN IN THE AUDIENCE:
    Yeah!

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    Lindsey getting shot in the chest is also typical Angel fashion in a way, as it subverts both clichés and expectations. This is what Angel had been doing with aplomb since season two's Reunion if not before. This was a show that was never afraid to pull the trigger (No pun intended.).
    The shooting of Lindsey is very much against form for Lorne and a rather harsh and presumptive call by Angel. I don't think that Lindsey deserved this; he wasn't beyond reasoning with. Still, a good final scene for both Christian Kane and the late Andy Hallett, a remarkable performer in the role of the convivial Host, especially given his lack of prior acting experience.

    Claret, then?

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    Probably the latter to some extent, even if she didn't intend it. She does express an intention to cause violence at the end.
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    Here are links to hi-res and lo-res screencaps for this episode..

    In retrospect, this is one of the best finales to a TV series, ending on just the right note, with Angel concluding on its own terms, in its own style and in its own right rather than just as a spin-off. Superb.
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    Woo-hoo!:techman:
     
  11. RoJoHen

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    Yeah, but I still want to see the big battle on screen!
     
  12. saturn5

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    Part of me agrees with you but another part says that it wasn't about big battles:)
     
  13. RoJoHen

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    I don't care what it was about. It would have been awesome! :p

    Actually, as much as I have enjoyed the Angel comics, I almost wish they were never written. They just make me want to see the story unfold on the TV screen with the actors playing the roles.
     
  14. saturn5

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    Maybe someone could animate them?
     
  15. RoJoHen

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    I think you're missing the point. I want to see the actors playing the roles!