Ancient Aliens

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by BillJ, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. PurpleBuddha

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    Shit, I find it inconceivable that they didn't mate. There are people that fuck animals. And never mind that, what about women being abducted by one side or the other? Granted, I am not talking about evidence here, but unless the argument is that the two groups never came into contact with one another, I can't see it.
     
  2. Deckerd

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    I'm fairly certain, biologists on the board will correct me if I'm wrong, but humans share 100% of their genetic makeup with humans.
     
  3. throwback

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    I think there is still a residual bias in the scientific community toward the Neanderthals. For a long time, they were viewed as a less intelligent brutish humanoid. This bias has slipped into our language when we call a person a neanderthal. It's only in the past few decades that our understanding of Neanderthals is changing.

    I have no issue with our ancestors having sex with Neanderthals. It's better than thinking that our ancestors totally obliterated them in the first genocidal campaign in human history, or accepting the belief that the two species operated in a vacuum and never met the other.

    Returning to the topic, I think many of the diagrams that proponents of ancient alien visitation cited as evidence were rather the creation of an imaginative, intelligent artist. Our ancestors were capable of creating fantasy and science fiction. During the Roman Empire, Lucian created stories, in True History, wherein humans travel to the Moon and to Venus, of the existence of extraterrestrial life, and of wars between planets. I think it's conceivable that he wasn't the only writer who wrote on these matters in the ancient world.

    Like I said earlier, this inability to envision our ancestors as like us was a bias - a terrible bias at that - that I would like to see buried along with the other beliefs like that blacks were less intelligent and less brave than whites, or that a woman's place was in the house and that such an individual didn't have an intelligent mind and was incapable of uttering an opinion.

    I don't know what aliens will look like, but I would like to think they feel emotions, they form family and friendship bonds, they go to bed at night and wake up in the morning to go to work, they like to eat and to drink, they like to party, and they like music and dancing. This is my bias. I can't imagine an alien civilization that doesn't embrace some of these likes. This is my human weakness - that I like to think at some fundamental level they are like us.
     
  4. Maurice

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  5. STR

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    Yeah, but how much of a civilization can you build up when you have 1/10th of the metals of Earth? Which is roughly what you're looking at with a planet system orbiting a population II star.

    Also, is it just me, or this guy a Centauri? He looks like Vir's younger, stoner brother.
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  6. Robert Maxwell

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    Many people have made that comparison already. :p
     
  7. Lonemagpie

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  8. Deckerd

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    I don't know who the top guy is but Londo is one of the greats of television sci fi of all time, along with G'Kar of course.
     
  9. Jonas Grumby

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    "Bro, that G'Kar dude is gnarly!"
     
  10. Gary7

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    Exactly right. The amount of time we've been creating transmissions is extremely short. Just 50 years ago, we were preparing to send the first man into orbit. Our "footprint" in the cosmos is next to nothing. We are situated on the periphery of the Milky Way Galaxy. There's no plausible reason for anyone to travel a vast distance to our solar system, unless they sent probes out many hundreds or thousands of years ago and found our planet habitable enough for their purposes to come for visitation and/or colonization some time in the future.

    Our imaginations are adept at creating ideas that go way outside the boundaries of plausibility. The biggest hurdle to face is the energy problem. The energy required to get to FTL and then slow down to a stop is immense. Much greater than we could ever hope to see accommodated in our lifetimes and even the next several hundred. But even if solved, the distance to travel here, let's say from near the core of our galaxy, is way too vast for any alien race to bother. Even if a civilization developed a wormhole technology, some way to fold space so distance would not be a problem, there's still the matter of a very sparsely populated region of solar systems with planets worth visiting.

    Just as primitive human beings thought the universe revolved around the Earth, so do many people today still believe we have a jewel of a planet that any alien civilization should want to come visit, and that they can. The sad truth is that we're too insignificant and far away to be worth visiting. In all likelihood, the human race will eventually die out someday, alone in the icy cold of space. The only thing we will probably achieve is to record bits and pieces of our lives and send them off on a probe into deep space in hopes that someday it'll be discovered and our presence in the universe will be remembered.
     
  11. Lonemagpie

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    He's the main presenter of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel, and yes, his hair is really like that. He also publishes a UFO/ancient aliens magazine.
     
  12. BillJ

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    Probably making a ton of money off of rubes.
     
  13. STR

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    He can't be related to Londo, Mollari would have him killed or sent to some far off penal colony.
     
  14. Lonemagpie

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    A distant penal colony called Earth...?
     
  15. RAMA

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    In fact Occam's Razor works for the existence of aliens, mainly because the most simple explanation (which Fermi and his gang also concluded...you know, the actual experts, not you dummies:techman:) is that aliens SHOULD exist and in great numbers..every fact we have discovered since then only makes it more likely...but then of course the paradox is what we were discussing.

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    I have heard scientists say that our solar system is in the galactic Goldilocks zone. If I remember right, it's like what we have now in our system - a cold zone, a hot zone, and a habitable zone.

    Our system is not in a fixed location - it's orbiting the galactic core. I wonder if our orbit will bring us closer to an inhabited system in the future. Of course, this would be a long time into the future.
     
  18. The Castellan

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    I myseld enjoy the show, I've bought all the DVD's out there that I can, Target's a great place to get them.

    And I am a firm believer in the anicent alien theory, that we were visited long ago by aliens and that we have been influenced by them, hell, "Who mourns for Adonis" from Trek hints at that as well. And from my own studies, many, many cultures, ranging from the Mayans, Native Americans, the Dogon of Africa, the Hindu.....they talk about this, even today. Many of my Native American and Hindu friends talk about this with me.

    I mean we go from living in caves, eating banans and picking lice off each other, and then we go to building huge, meholithic structures, and those involve cutting out these massive pieces of rock, weighing up to 1,000 tons in some cases, and then moving these rocks to the building site, some of these cultures not even having invented the wheel yet..and then lifting up and precisely fitting them into position so well that you can't even stick a hair between the cracks. And engineers and arcticects have no idea how this was done, long ago, and can't even do this themselves. And it seems to me, that the average Mayan had more knowledge about mathematics, astronomy and so than what would be today's 'educated man'. Same with us going from horse and buggy to computers the size of a match book in like under 150 years...something does not feel right.

    I think it should be talked about more openly, and without ridicule here in the western world....you talk about this to the folks in the east and they go, "mmmhmmm, tell me something I don't know". Mainstream media over here in the western world rarely ever covers this sort of topic, and if they do, it's often treated as something "cute" and having the X-files theme playing, or whatever, and having the achors giggeling, like it's a movie of the week.....yet the same folks are just fine talking about some overrated celebrity's domestic problems, whatever Obama and Romney are calling each other, or Lindsey Lohan's lastest arrest as if it's really meaningful stuff to talk about.

    And to me, there's 3 stages regarding controversial issues, like this and they are
    1: Denial
    2: Opposition and attacks
    3: Acceptance.
    I mean when Galileo said the earth went around the sun, the authorities had him arrested...and would not even bother to look into the telescope when he offered them to, they were SOOOOOO confident (arrogant more like it) to do so. And the poor guy was unde house arrest. Same hostility is made towards ideas that can change everything, especially if the theory has a good chance of being proven right.

    And personally, this will irk some people, but I got no problem with the fellow on the show with the funky hair I like his work....hell, Einstein needed a a better barber, I think, and ya got Obama kissing the ass of that NASA guy with a mohawk.....so it's no different.

    And keep in mind that our solar system is very young in this part of the galaxy, and all the others are much older, and it's very possible that there's civilizations out there with millions, if not billions, of years ahead of us. To them they cold have technology we could only begin to imagine....and that faster than light travel is normal thing for them, now. Just becayse WE can't do it yer, does not mean they can't...that's a big example of human arrogance that's equel to us being the only intelligent life in the universe, as well as the idea of them landing on the White House lawn....and like nay sayers posting silly pictures with cheesy captions of the propenents of pretty much anything remotely paranormal. Hell, there antiques could make our most advanced stuff look like prehistoric junk.


    I'd love to discuss this with other folks on this board who do believe this, I'll gladly give them my YIM screen name and we can talk about it. :)
     
  19. Deckerd

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    I applaud your use of Star Trek as evidence ancient aliens existed.
     
  20. The Castellan

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    And I applaud that's all you seem to focus on from my post. Amazing how Trek fans really don't like the concept of aliens in any way, shape or form, unless it's some actor in a rubber mask or something.

    All I said was that the ideas of humanity being influenced by aliens in the past was in it, since Trek had these ideas wanted to be expressed...from bigotry to warfare....same idea. I've read science fiction where the authors strongly expressed such ideas. Science fiction's a good median to do so....I mean stuff regarding Veitnam was a big no-no for TV in the 60's yet science fiction like Trek allowed the issue to be spoken of, even if it's regarding a fictious setting and time.