Ancient Aliens

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by BillJ, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. Crazy Eddie

    Crazy Eddie Vice Admiral Admiral

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    YES the proof was given, and by far more than "two drunk elderly English guys." You just choose not to believe it, or even investigate it, because you would prefer to believe in aliens.

    There's a big difference between "There is no proof" and "I don't believe the proof." We learn this from a study of creationism -- particularly young Earth creationism -- which somehow manages to look at the entire volume of scientific literature and see "Not enough data; inconclusive."

    But not permanently, and not all of them, which is EXTREMELY significant. IF that is an example of alien intervention, it is one of aliens testing their ability to systematically disarm us if we ever decided to oppose them (or if not aliens, some sneaky Russians in a top secret aircraft). "Intervention" can be said to have lasting effects, which UFOs and/or alien abductions never really produce.

    Case in point:
    Only to give to throw them on the floor where those two bratty kids can immediately pick them up and start fighting again?
     
  2. Crazy Eddie

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    I hadn't thought about that before, but it's a sort of ontological argument against the Ancient Aliens theory. It basically assumes that primitive cultures cannot accomplish things their distant descendants would consider impressive without help from people as advanced as those ancestors. Apart from making a sweeping assumption about what people in general find impressive, it's a self-defeating assumption, since it would just as easily apply to the aliens and then we have to ask who lead THEM out of their primitive past, and who tutored their leaders, and their leaders' leaders, and so on.
     
  3. Alidar Jarok

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    Fair enough. I suppose that's a testament to how seriously people believe outlandish things that it's almost impossible to spot sarcasm.
     
  4. Admiral Buzzkill

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    "Ancient Aliens" is an historically and scientifically ignorant hypothesis, and the world would be a better place if there were some way to prosecute the people who promulgate it in the media.
     
  5. teacake

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    Promulgate it in the media?

    You mean like Von Daniken?

    Why would you want to prosecute them.. you might as well prosecute every purveyor of origin myths.
     
  6. nightwind1

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    We are.

    They're called skyscrapers.
     
  7. The Castellan

    The Castellan Commodore Commodore

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    May I congratulate you, sir, for you have one of the most closed minds I have the misfortune of interacting with. You have the same mentality as those who smeared both Galileo and Copornicus. Please, give yourself a nice pat on the back, sir. I do believe that Mr. Schickelgruber would have pinned a medel on your chest for that paragraph.

    And apprently, you'd probably want to prosecute all those folks who believe in alien life, who believe we have been visited....and not in mainstream belief in that we are all there is, and that we managed to build all those incredible feats of engineering, yet we somehow managed to lose. Or that we are the highest forms of life. Not to mention you don't seem to care about first amendment rights, either. Might as well go out and send police and federal agents to go crack down on various talk radio progams, paranormal conferences, books and television shows that discuss such stuff and so on. Got a plank you'd like me to walk, My Name is Legion?

    You sure you don't work for some government, military or religious group?

    Ego, scientists, well the closed minded ones in the mainstream, are more arrogant than rock stars and pro athletes, only difference is the last two get more sexual congress.

    To mainstream scientists, the ones on a big, fat government grant, anyhow, look at paranormal investigators as bugs, insects, thorns in the side, or even using unflattering ethic nicknames when describing how they fell about us.

    Give him time, he probably finds the idea of supression of ideas more enjoyable than sex....his type often does. Plus remember, mainstream scientists, historians, politicians, military authorities and the like have one thing in commen, they love to play god and want nothing more than to throw a few thunderbolts at us, the 'unwashed' as it may be. Plus they'd rather bite of their own tongues and swallow it than even suggest their answers might be wrong, even in the slightest.
    Also, this reminds me of a quote one fellow with funky hair one said.
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    Sorry if this is not some unflattering, cheesy "LOL" type picture or camparison to anyone in a silly costume or mask, but I don't fly that way. Though, if I might correct ole' Albo on one bit is that society has not forgotten the gift, but more like frowning upon the gift. Society loves its servant's though.

    Personally, I don't know which is more dogmatic, the mainstream scientific community, or the mainstream religious community....at the latter have been proven to be able to convert and change their view points at certain times. And I remember Hahi Hawas threating to chop of Richard Hoagland's head should he ever come to Eygpt, which he plans to do....given Zahi's track record (I heard ole's Zahi might be having some legal problems and if guilty, might spend a year in jail....been a while since I heard this, still is ammusing, and sad, in a way, though), and that he's threatening harm to alternative ideas and theories, My Name is Legion would probably get all warm and tingly as such an suggestion.:rolleyes:


    And personally, I'd love to get an autographed copy of Van Daniken's books.:techman:
     
  8. Deckerd

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    The idea that the scientists (of all people) are dogmatic and unable to change their views undermines everything else you say.
     
  9. iguana_tonante

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    Well actually, everything he says undermines everything he says.
     
  10. Deckerd

    Deckerd Fleet Arse Premium Member

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    I was being charitable.
     
  11. BillJ

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    Like I said before, you've got to give people some type of evidence. I simply don't buy that paintings somehow represent proof of alien involvement. Is imagination something unique to modern man? I simply don't buy that people couldn't have built things like the pyramids. The Romans were able to build bridges, aqua-ducts and even a coliseum without modern tools.

    You've got to offer more than, "I don't know, therefore aliens" as proof for these theories. Give me an alien rivet or gum wrapper or something... anything that is tangible proof.
     
  12. YellowSubmarine

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    Mainstream scientists are a bunch of lying arrogant close-minded idiots. Independent science is the way to go. I always choose my homoeopathic doctor. I cleanse my colon regularly. I always put my girlfriend through the polygraph to tell if she's cheating on me... all of them have failed me so far – who could tell? And, you know what? Right now I'm saving money for my new perpetual motion apartment battery pack, because my previous one broke. Ha! And while these corrupt scientists are denying its existence, I'm enjoying my free energy and laughing hard. I hope this time I can get a water-fuelled engine for my car too.

    I would like to share more about the amazing things they are hiding from you, but right now I have to run to investigate this crop circle on my cornfield that says “Yellow Submarine is a gullible cuckoo”, and figure out what the aliens are trying to tell me. I think their women want me as their mate because of my superior intelligence.
     
  13. Lonemagpie

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    Oh, there are plenty of *bad* scientists - or, worse, *bought* scientists - throughout history, who were or are like that!

    Thankfully there's the also the good ones, who do indeed get that it's the job of science to accept new discoveries.

    It's just that neither type of them really have anything to do with ancient aliens, since they never existed. Or if they did exist, they sensibly kept out of the way and didn't interfere...
     
  14. Alidar Jarok

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    Actually, it's the job of a scientist to reject or at least attempt to disprove new discoveries, not to accept them. The point of science is skepticism. It's only after the idea has withstood all rigorous challenges that scientists can think of that it should be accepted.
     
  15. Lonemagpie

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    I'm assuming for the sake of the post that "new discoveries" means having been all proved and stuff.
     
  16. Edit_XYZ

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    Ancient aliens - and other similar ideas.
    Any remotely objective investigation shows that their existence is ridiculously improbable.

    Why? Because the only way to assert their existence is to posit a great many ridiculously improbable assumptions in order to squeeze them into observed facts: ~we can't see them, but they exist and hide/are incredibly good at hiding to the point of being above natural law.

    For example - UFOs or big foot always stay just beyond the range where the increasing numbers of cameras can take clear pictures of them (in the past, when the cameras were less performant, they used to come a lot closer). Aren't they lucky?:rofl:

    Or - Ancient monuments were built with the knowledge and means of our ancestors (we even know how).
    But wait - aliens did the heavy lifting and managed to leave no verifiable - credible - account of their existence. The ancients knew nothing and had nothing above their level of knowledge and technology.
    I guess that, beyond building a LOT of monuments for the locals - just because - they were tight-lipped, etc.
     
  17. scotthm

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    I'm personally offended that ancient aliens helped the pharaohs build their tombs but won't help me with my FTL spaceship.

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  18. Admiral Buzzkill

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    :guffaw:

    You're entirely wrong, of course. My only error with regard to this "ancient aliens" horseshit is to have, as Robert Heinlein once put it, "fallen into the fatal folly of reading."

    There is no science in these hypotheses. There are no facts as such, simply ridiculous speculations based upon misrepresentations of facts presented without their real context in the confidence on the part of the presenters that their audience is composed of rubes, boobs and suckers. There's not a first-rate intellect anywhere in the field of hucksters, charlatans and delusional nutjobs who manage to keep this foolishness alive - generally as an alternative to any of them doing honest work for their livings.
     
  19. Lonemagpie

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    Well, and sci fi writers looking for ideas to rip off and do better....
     
  20. Herkimer Jitty

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    Ancient Alien theory is the same brand of drivel as intelligent design. A lack of curiosity about the universe leading people to say "a wizard did it".

    It also denigrates everything our ancestors accomplished. Human beings aren't clever, it says. Everything cultured about us comes from outer space. It vastly underestimates what the human race is capable of, and makes massive assumptions.

    As a humanist, I see it as no less than a slight against the ancient cultures of the world.