No way. Never Say Die may be 'sophisicated', but there's not a good or memorable song on it. Technical Ecstasy may not be very good, but She's Gone, All Moving Parts and You Won't Change Me more than make up for the rest. Never Say Die is easily the worst Ozzy-era album, and it's not at all surprising he left afterwards. Of course, even NSD is a gem next to the rubbish they churned out with Dio and all those others in the 80s. But Voggmo I agree with you on Led Zep - Presence is a great album (I've actually got Tea For One on right now!) and Achilles Last Stand especially is brilliant. It's just a shame Led Zep's last album was their worst.