Agents of Shield - Season 4

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  1. Greg Cox

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    I don't know. I hear Salvation inspired some prequel novels. :)

    I confess I winced a bit at that line.
     
  2. Emh

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    Fair points, particularly subverting expectations regarding "rise of the machines." With Radcliffe, I suppose I wanted to convince myself that he had full reformed because of the charisma of John Hannah and that's my own damn fault.

    Yeah, I agree about Bale at least and Sam Worthington wasn't much better. If you didn't like Salvation, stay far, far away from Genisys. Ugh.
     
  3. Reverend

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    I think we can all agree that there's only been two *good* Terminator movies and the other three have all been varying flavours of shite. From tepid boring shite, all the way to moronic and incomprehensibly terrible shite. Which ever one one thinks is less shite is entirely subjective, no? ;)
     
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  4. Emh

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    I think we can all agree on that. :lol:
     
  5. Christopher

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    Make that two good Terminator movies and a good TV series.
     
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  6. kitik

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    I wish somebody would go back in time to save Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
     
  7. Captain Craig

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    When you do you'll have much more appreciation for Salvation.
    I never thought it was a bad movie myself, overly nitpicked. I liked Bale enough as Connor.
    Genisys is just horrid though, pure rubbish and it's not cause of any nitpicking.
     
  8. Reverend

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    RE: The Sarah Conner Chronicles...I don't know. I haven't gone back and watched it since it came off the air, but from what I recall I thought the series started off promising, but sort of lost focus in the second season. Don't get me wrong, the three principles were very good, but despite the odd flash of brilliance, the overall quality of the scripts just wasn't there.

    One can only speculate what could have happened had they got their third series, but in my experience, shows that don't fully build on the promise of their first season and squander their second, very rarely pull out of it in the third.
     
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  9. Christopher

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    I agree it sagged some in season 2, but it was still better than any of the last three movies.
     
  10. Reverend

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    That's not a terribly high bar.
     
  11. Velocity

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    Meanwhile, back at the thread... Fitz was devastated when Ward betrayed them/him and now here's another guy acting on his own agenda. Will Fitz take it as hard as last time? I doubt it, but he will probably become more cynical and less trusting which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
     
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    Beats me, but Hope takes all of these things into consideration. She goes into quite a bit of detailed thinking. On her last list, SHIELD was under "likely cancelled," but that was in early December. She hasn't made her final predictions yet.

    Sounds like Croyd Crenson in Wild Cards.
     
  13. Reverend

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    Different situation. Ward actively pretended to be something he wasn't to gain the team's trust and betrayed it in the worst way possible. Radcliffe was always a mad scientist and I think while he's certainly willing to give him a second chance, Fitz is clearly dubious about trusting his judgement. Plus again, Radcliffe isn't out to hurt anyone, he's just obsessed with his goals. Very dangerous and deranged, sure, but not malicious.
     
  14. bbjeg

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    I think this episode was a step down from the Ghostrider saga but it wasn't bad. Shield's trust in Radcliffe bothered me at first, with him first siding with Ward (albeit starting against his will) and then after they found out he built a cyborg on his own. He should have agents around him at all times or at least that tech bracelet that Daisey had to wear earlier. I also think Coulson knows about May, at least by the end of the episode. Only he and the director knew of the Darkhold and with the director off site, May (who went to check on Aida and survived while the other agent didn't, whose robot replacement who I think I saw at the beginning of the episode should be captured in the next episode) would be the only one to confirm the book's location. We'll see.

    Also, Terminator: Genisys was pretty good. It was definitely better than T3 and Salvation, and paid a good homage to the first and second movie. True, the odd part with the timeline echo thing was a bit confusing, but it was fun.
     
  15. Christopher

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    Android, not cyborg. A cyborg is a cybernetic organism, a living being with robotic parts -- e.g. Deathlok, the Borg (hence the name), the Six Million Dollar Man (adapted from the novel Cyborg), RoboCop, Darth Vader, etc.
     
  16. cylkoth

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    The most puzzling question for me remains, when was May-bot created? Does Radcliff have a 3-D printer in the basement that could have knocked one out so quickly after May went to pick up Aida (to read the Darkhold)?
     
  17. Christopher

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    I think it was when May was dying and they used Radcliffe's lab to save her. I read something in an article about the May LMD's mind being based on a scan of May taken when she was dying. Radcliffe's presumably been making plans for a while. And I don't think May was swapped out until midway through the last episode before this one, the finale of the Ghost Rider arc. There was a bit early on where May was sent to Radcliffe's lab to do something pertaining to Aida, then we didn't see her for most of the episode, and then she showed up at the end. I think that's when the swap was made.
     
  18. Romulan_spy

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    Radcliffe's primary goal may not be to directly hurt people but since his goals are so dangerous, it follows that his actions almost certainly have the potential to hurt other people. So the end result is basically the same. Whether he intends to hurt others is irrelevant, what matters is that his dangerous and deranged goals could very likely hurt a lot of people.
     
  19. Reverend

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    Fine, but the question I was addressing was whether or not Fitz would take it as hard as he did when Ward turned on them. I merely illustrated that the two circumstances were different, so probably not.
     
  20. Romulan_spy

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    In regards to Fitz, I would agree that he probably won't take it has hard since with Ward it was a very calculated betrayal. However, I do think that Fitz will be crushed because it seems like he really believed in Radcliffe's work with Aida.