Abrams turns Star Wars because of his "loyalty" to Trek

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  1. The Wormhole

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    Simon Pegg is a good actor, the problem is that Scotty just isn't written right. He's too comedic, even Pegg has said he wants the character to be more serious than he was in XI.

    Aside from Trek V, I didn't think the other movies did a bad job with him. Relics has some good character moments, though seeing him act the bumbling old man thinking he's helpful when he's actually getting in the way was a diservice to the character.

    Continuity is gravy to the storytelling meal. Yeah, it's great when it's there, but a great story will stand on its own quality, even if there's no continuity.
     
  2. wissaboo

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    then the rest of trek is not quality either. Since there are continuity errors all over the place
     
  3. davejames

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    Well he had to get pretty damn drunk in the first one, and the second wasn't really him being "wacky" in any way. In fact his tone was actually pretty serious when addressing the Klingon.

    The fight was played somewhat for laughs, but Scotty didn't strike me as being the "comic relief" there.
     
  4. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    But there was a twinkle in his eye when said "Where they'll be no tribble at all." And he was unintentionally funny when mooning over Romaine and Palamas.
     
  5. lurok

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  6. The Baby Stig

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    He sure didn't. Nor did Aaron Sorkin give two shits if the West Wing recycled plot ideas, so long as the characters got the main focus of each episode.

    Hell, Friday Night Lights completely retconned half of Season 2 because the events depicted were just too wacky, and it was (and remains) the best show on television.
     
  7. The Mirrorball Man

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    What works in television isn't necessarily what works in films. When you got a large ensemble cast and you want to give each and every one of the main characters their chance to stand out, some of them are going to be rewritten so that they fit a specific role within the ensemble. That means that some of them are less stoic and more humorous than in the TV series.
     
  8. Mr. Adventure

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    I feel out of sync, I wasn't crazy about nuTrek yet I liked Pegg's Scotty. :)
     
  9. BillJ

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    I wish he would have slowly been devoured by that monster chasing Kirk on Delta Vega. :lol:
     
  10. JarodRussell

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    Pretty lazy, isn't it?
     
  11. NuFan

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    It's possible that Abrams just thought the treatment he read was horrible.
     
  12. The Mirrorball Man

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    Pretty lazy, isn't it?[/QUOTE]

    Is it important?
     
  13. Kelthaz

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    Times have changed and continuity is far more important today than it was in the past. If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was writing Sherlock today he would have paid far more attention to small continuity details and have included arcs connecting the various novels.
     
  14. EnsignRicky

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    If Doyle were writing Sherlock Holmes today, he'd include a lot more slow motion fighting, explosions and... Uh, never mind.
     
  15. The Mirrorball Man

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    If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle were writing Sherlock Holmes today, he would be writing novels instead of short stories. Other than that, I think it would be very similar. Crime fiction hasn't changed that much since then.
     
  16. Alidar Jarok

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    I don't think so. It's only among obsessive nerd communities that there are people who care and there were plenty of those people back then too. Doyle killed off Holmes at one point to make a clean break, although that obviously didn't work.
     
  17. Hound of UIster

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    Or maybe he realized like most smart people that the readers are more interested in Holmes doing detecting and having interesting adventures than useless continuity. More continuity certainly wasn't going to turn the Blanched Soldier or the Veiled Lodger into better stories.
     
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  18. JarodRussell

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    Would more continuity have turned them into worse stories?
     
  19. The Mirrorball Man

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    More convoluted, more difficult to get into, less accessible for new readers, less interesting to read again. Whether that's synonymous with "worse" is a matter of opinion.
     
  20. Joker

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    Okay.

    'Continuity' is for sad lonely cunts to masturbate over while the rest of the audience has fun.

    Have a great new year.
     
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