Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Kamdan, Jan 24, 2013.
This almost seems to point to a possibility of a cross-over.
Now Leia lost her home planet, and so did Quinto's Spock. Carrie may even resemble Amanda a bit.
I could see Quinto's Spock having trouble with emotions with Carrie winking at the audience saying something along the lines of "I know all about that."
Clearly the days of the metal bikini are gone. Good. I like Carrie better as herself anyway. In order to keep the movie in a serious note, I might make Carrie's own background part of Leia's. She and Han aren't speaking after the loss of Jacen, we will say.
They fight a lot of course.
We stumble on a drunk Han trying to clean that blaster. "It's in pieces...I can't get it back together."
The new characters then find Leia on Coruscant. Now, if you remember, in her darker days Carrie had dreams of futuristic cities as part of her condition--so you work with that--and have her talk with some CGI guys to do the section of Coruscant just outside the area on the planet that is actually not covered by the world-smothering city...
It is the closest thing to Alderan, after all. Like Boothby, I can see her as a gardener there, trying--failing--to make something grow. Quinto's Spock thinks her Amanda for a moment, and they converse. Quinto beams up. The Falcon lands in this open zone and Han gets off the ramp, and goes to Leia.
He gives the keys, as it were, to the new kids in JJs movie, post EU, and off they go.
They are allowed to build a small hovel there, surrounded by mile tall buildings. It all looks quaint.
We see Luke, who like Hamil, is a little heavy. He no longer can use the force, due to some sacrifice or other, and wants to visit old friends. This area of Coruscant is like a labyrinth.
At the pink corner of Ul Qoma and Besźel, or was it at the triple junction of Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius, or at the square of Globus Cassus? I forget, but Luke bumps into a furtive veiled man--Hakim Dengar? Or was it Funes? At any rate, he was wearing Han's blaster!
Luke fails to run after him, instead drawn by smoke from the hovel.
And there Han and Leia are...as burning skeletons.
You see, there are worse things than having JJ directing Star Wars.
It could have been Borges:
Funny you should bring up Borges.
Some new comments from Burk
ST09 was better than any of the Star Wars movies in my opinion, so JJ is going to have to do a lot to top himself and STID.
I actually found this pretty amusing.
Ringo Starr movie. You've got to like their sense of humor and perspective about everything.
Well, Ringo does have a sci-fi heritage....of sorts....
I do wonder how JJ will get on with coming into a production that he does not have full control over. Lucas is clearly going to be attending meetings and speaking up about what he thinks should happen because it is very much his baby and he is protective of it. In addition to this many positions of producer & writers etc have already been taken up by people appointed by disney and lucasfilm.
JJ is used to having full control over his Star Trek movies and can write & mould them into exactly what his vision is from the ground up. I dont think he will get this freedom on Star Wars.
What this means for Star Wars fans is that JJ will be reigned in somewhat and probably his Star Wars movie will resemble Empire Strikes Back as closely as possible in a similar way that Super 8 resembled late 70s/early 80s Spielberg.
This would be in contrast to what we have got with Star Trek XI and XII (frantic, fast pace, adrenaline rush.. quick cuts, tight editing, fast pans etc ADHD) because JJ wont be allowed to do that ????
That is precisely the scenario I'm hoping for on this this film.
It's not Abram's vision. He's just the next guy after Kershner and Marquand.
And who's to say he'll even be involved beyond Episode VII?
After "Punch it" cross-pollinating, a Star Wars character making "Make it so" or "Engage" cool again, will restore karma to the multiverse.
Maybe somebody will perform the Jedi Mind Meld.
Yet deserving, especially considering JJ's doubling-down on lens-flare in recent comments. Certainly there's lots to be critical about in Star Wars as it is, considering how shabbily Lucas handled the prequels.
Lucas and JJ seem to be cut from the same cloth as far as being stubborn in doing things their own way and not listening to criticism. That's fine if you like their natural proclivities, otherwise it's highly annoying.
To which comments do you refer? Could you post a link?
You could say the same thing about Stanley Kubrick, I don't see how that's a bad trait for a filmmaker.
Lucas being a stubborn, detail-obsessed filmmaker also led to American Graffiti, Episode IV: A New Hope and - as producer - Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Being a stubborn sunnuvabitch isn't necessarily a bad thing. If they're capable of producing terrific screen product I say let them be stubborn. It never hurts to encourage advice and a more open and democratic atmosphere on a set but it's not a guarantee that the finished product will be any better.
The first Flintstones film with John Goodman had dozens of writers and input and participation across the board and look what all that democracy and diversity of opinion got us.
Good for them. Creators of artistic endeavours owe NOTHING to their "critics". NOT. A. THING. The critics are free to be unhappy with what they get, but they should not expect to be catered to. The audience has ZERO ownership of a creative product. They have the choice to like or dislike what is presented to them. They have the right to say why they like or dislike it. They have ZERO rights in terms of having their expectations met. That is entirely up to the creator.
Star Wars, Star Trek and other creations of the entertainment industry are not the public domain possessions of everybody in the audience. If you can't stand what the creator of a film, television series, work or literature or piece of music made then that's your right to say it sucks and has no redeeming qualities, but it wasn't the creator's duty to cater to your tastes.
Like George Lucas and some of his directing efforts or not, but a long time ago he said in bold, no-nonsense language that he was making Star Wars movies the way he wanted to make them and to meet his own desires and sensibilities. If the audience loved them, that was wonderful. If they hated them, he'd be disappointed. But at the end of the day they were HIS films and he answered to nobody but his own expectations and wishes.
George doesn't really "owe" the audience anything. Neither does J.J. They'll make the films they think will be fun and exciting and when they're finished they'll present them to the public for consumption. Naturally, they'd prefer it if you liked their movies but if you don't....that's not their problem. You didn't write it. You didn't foot the production costs. You weren't on the set almost every single day sitting behind the cameras. You're the audience....period.
Keith Moon would be a better fit for JJ. More potential for 'sposhuns and lensflare.
It'd be the greatest film about a hotel party ever filmed.
Just imagine the 3-D IMAX effects when the TV set hits the street below.
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