Abrams Directing Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Kamdan, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. BillJ

    BillJ Admiral Admiral

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    But DalekJim was on drugs when he saw the movie and posted those comments! :lol:
     
  2. panthers34343

    panthers34343 Ensign Newbie

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    I wasn't disputing the fact that the NFL was more popular than Major League Baseball, I specifically said "Yes the NFL makes more money than MLB", what I was disputing was the methodology of just counting movie grosses when Trek is primarily a TV product.

    Are you kidding? Where do you get this stuff from?

    The recent Pro Bowl got 12.2 million viewers in one game,

    http://www.sbnation.com/2013/1/29/3929672/pro-bowl-2013-ratings-down

    The most recent NBA Finals got an average of 16.9 million viewers in five games.

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-with-best-5-game-averages-in-8-years/139086/

    So that's 12.2 million view vs about 84.5 million views.

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-with-best-5-game-averages-in-8-years/139086/

    By sheer revenue Major League Baseball is only 2 billion behind the NFL. 9 billion vs 7 billion

    http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-biggest-pie-in-sports-2011-3

    So hey what does this have to do with Star Trek/Star Wars? Maybe the gap between the popularity of the two isn't as big as you'd think, and even if it was using movie tickets sales is a flawed way of determining it.
     
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  3. SalvorHardin

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    It must have been a magical experience.
     
  4. DalekJim

    DalekJim Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    You Abrams lickers should totally restart the conversation that got the last one closed again. Wizard idea.
     
  5. BillJ

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    Didn't restart the last one...

    I'm pretty sure the comments Legion posted are from this forum.
     
  6. panthers34343

    panthers34343 Ensign Newbie

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    JJ Abrams as the common denominator? NO thank you. The guy made technically made a Star Trek movie (with the title and characters whatever) but he didn't really make a real Star Trek movie. It didn't have a soul. As he himself said he made a Star Trek movie that he himself would want to watch, not something based on the appeal of the previous series.

    The guy even admited he was at heart a Star Wars fan, and the theater is essentially Star Wars' homefield so the whole premise is deeply biased in favor of Star Wars.
     
  7. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yes he did. He made a great Star Trek movie.
     
  8. BillJ

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    The beauty of the Trek format is that its flexible enough for all kinds of stories from many different creators. :techman:
     
  9. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    I'd really rather that didn't happen, if it's all the same to you.

    And no licking. Definitely no licking - J.J. Abrams or anyone else.
     
  10. BillJ

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    I guess I still don't get it.

    I'm pretty critical of parts of the film to this day, but I don't think it's the worst Trek by a long-shot. I also don't think it's the best.

    But it's definitely Trek.
     
  11. Franklin

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    Well, NBA Finals ratings had been trending down before 2012. Pro Bowl ratings are down, too. Game-by-game over the years, the ratings are terribly close, however. And the Pro Bowl is a meaningless game. The NBA Finals are the capstone to the NBA season.

    On topic, it's difficult to pin down a real number for the amount of revenue the entire Trek franchise has brought in since 1966. The consensus numbers are between $4 billion to $6 billion from all sources, but those are just educated guesses.

    SW has brought in about $6 billion just in its movies, and in a February 10, 2012 story, "Forbes" reported that in 2007 the franchise had made $9 billion in revenue from toys to that point, and $1.6 billion from video games. In the same story, Lucas Licensing reported over $20 billion in revenue world-wide from consumer sales.

    Both are popular and wildly successful and long-lived, but to continue a sports analogy, SW is the Yankees with an astonishing 27 World Series wins, and Trek is the Cardinals, with the second most World Series titles, at "only" 11.

    It's an embarrassment of riches for all (SW, Trek, the Yankees, and the Cardinals), but if popularity is measured by fans' voting with the money out of their wallets over the years, SW wins hands down.

    http://247wallst.com/2012/02/10/the-force-star-wars-franchise-worth-over-30-billion-and-growing/
     
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  12. Hound of UIster

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    This is very true.
     
  13. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's really not.
     
  14. Aragorn

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    What message board are you on? Star Trek is supposed to be 100% rigidly in line with what one individual person who has nothing to do with Star Trek at any creative level believes Star Trek should be and can only be, and any deviation to such understanding makes it not Star Trek.
     
  15. controlfreak

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    Abrams is the Nerd King of all of us.. Star Trek and Star Wars, and they'll both be worth watching!! Maybe a Trek vs. Wars film in the vein of AVP...I don't think Abrams is going to abandon the Trek franchise any time soon. He's only doing the one Star Wars for now. I like how everyone is freaking out, though.. I don't see why he can't do both. Wouldn't you want to do both if you could?
     
  16. Devon

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    Of all the souls I have encounted, his was the most........ human.

    That is not what he said (to the highlighted parts.) Your putting words in his mouth.

    The writers of the most financially and critically successful film in the Star Trek franchise should though. Who is that? Orci and Kurtzman.... don't be mad bro.
     
  17. DarthTom

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    I don't see as many Star Wars fans freaking out about this on popular Wars message boards like stardestroyer.net. God some sci-fi fans can be incorrigible.
     
  18. Nerys Myk

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    A bit like Betty or Veronica, isn't it? ;)
     
  19. cooleddie74

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    Abrams has proven he knows what the hell he's doing so let him take a shot at both franchises. If the man can get the project done on time, on budget and with the minimum of fuss and problems then I don't care if he's the King of Lens Flare.

    As I've said before, almost complete unknowns to the outside world like spy thriller director Richard Marquand were chosen for past Star Wars films and those guys - even without a lick of experience in the sci-fi/fantasy genre - turned out very good product people still enjoy and even love to this day.
     
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    Talking to yourself? :confused:
     

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