Abrams Directing Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Kamdan, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. cooleddie74

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    I adore Trek with every fiber and molecule in the marrow of my very bones and it's been my favorite pop culture franchise, but any franchise that gives us "Spock's Brain," "Profit and Lace" and "Spirit Folk" can't lay permanent claim to the Scepter of Intellectual Entertainment.
     
  2. The Stig

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    You forgot 'Sub-Rosa.'
     
  3. ITL

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    ...which is the Sphincter of Intellectual Entertainment.
     
  4. cooleddie74

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    I keep trying. :brickwall:
     
  5. Admiral Buzzkill

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    That's not mutually exclusive with him finding himself "elevating" another underestimated studio property. Especially these days. Hell, who in Hollywood besides Spielberg and Lucas have managed to stay completely off the franchise plantations while continuing to command the resources to make any damn film they please?

    Many talented - and a few brilliant - directors have had their moments in the last two decades...but if you want to work with a lot of money and resources and be able to leverage serious distribution, you wind up doing a lot of work to please the people who themselves work to please stockholders. Ask Tim Burton.
     
  6. DalekJim

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    I just don't see how Batman could be seen to have been more highbrow than Trek before Batman Begins? The previous Batman movie tanked and was a joke to everybody. Nemesis did poorly but it's nowhere near the laughing stock Batman and Robin is.
     
  7. Amasov

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    I wonder if JJ is going to be saying, "This movie was not made for STAR WARS fans; it's being made for movie fans."

    Or, with our luck, he'll actually say it's made for the Star Wars fans.
     
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  8. The Stig

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    Schumacher made a consious decision to embrace the campiness of the 60's television show. Turns out, no one else wanted to make the leap with him. 'Nemesis' was simply bad.
     
  9. DalekJim

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    He wouldn't dare say anything as dumb, ungrateful and mean-spirited as that in an interview.


    ....

    Oh.
     
  10. Admiral Buzzkill

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    To be fair, "no one else wanted to make the leap with him" because Batman and Robin was...simply bad. "Having a vision" doesn't mean your movie won't just suck.
     
  11. cooleddie74

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    Nemesis was just lazy, and that's worse. No explanation of the Romulans getting Picard's DNA that long ago, much less one that would fit in with established Next Gen timeline and canon....the use of yet another Brent Spiner android that's not as sophisticated as Data....Picard being bald as a cadet when he was described (and even shown) as having hair as late as his tenure as captain of the Stargazer.
     
  12. DalekJim

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    Both are shitty but Nemesis is the better movie. Tom Hardy was actually trying to act unlike Arnie, Uma and whatever roid rager they got to play Bane.
     
  13. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Nope.

    I saw Nemesis and I saw Schumacher's stuff - and the fact that the guy might have been ambitious and really trying didn't make sitting through Batman & Robin one bit less tedious than a bad Trek movie.
     
  14. Admiral Buzzkill

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    No show which features Gates McFadden simulating an orgasm is without merit.
     
  15. cooleddie74

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    Schumacher just mishandled the entire Batman franchise from day one. By the time the films were revived seven years later under Nolan I was itching for a positive change from the Era of the Bat Nipples and Arnold.

    Whatever issues one has with the Nolan Dark Knight films they don't suffer from the same problems that the Schumacher movies did, especially Batman and Robin. Critics like Leonard Maltin jumped on TDK for its dark vision and how the Joker was handled in comparison to the Jack Nicholson incarnation almost twenty years earlier, but they fail to see what a radical improvement the Nolan films even with their flaws are over the post-Tim Burton entries in the franchise.
     
  16. ITL

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    She did? I forget. I only watched that episode one time. Which was more than enough...
     
  17. cooleddie74

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    Okay. "Sub Rosa" had ONE good thing going for it.

    Well, that and the end credits finally rolling.
     
  18. BillJ

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    Never really understood this criticism. People change hairstyles all the time. :shrug:
     
  19. Garak

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    I don't disagree with anything you say there, but at this point Nolan seems more like wishful thinking than anything tangible when it comes to Star Trek. Maybe he'll work on another "franchise plantation" (haha, nice) but certainly not our beloved and hallowed one. :shrug:
     
  20. Jackson_Roykirk

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    You missed the word "necessarily".
    When Abrams made that quite about ST2009, he said the film was not made "necessarily" for Star Trek fans, but for movie fans in general.

    The exact quote from him was:
    "The whole point was to try to make this movie for fans of movies, not fans of 'Star Trek,' necessarily".

    One word makes a big difference.

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