A way Endgame could have been redeemed

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by Control Voice, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. teacake

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    My dear, I must object. I thought this was the tired old (but with a point) song about 7 being emotionally crippled but it seems you are talking about actual age. What's the difference? Ten years? Fifteen? What does it matter?

    Harry is a sweet boy and though he may be closer in emotional maturity to 7 in a superficial sense 7 has seen all the horror and tragedy and desires of the universe and she cannot unsee it. She doesn't need a lamb, she needs someone who knows, if even a little, what she means by her overwhelming regrets.
     
  2. Gov Kodos

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    I've never bought that emotional age angle about Seven.
     
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    Though 7 may be a virgin and have none of her own experiences as an individual she is anything but an innocent. It's a great contrast and what makes her an incredible character.
     
  4. Gov Kodos

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    All the Trek series can be hopelessly provincial. In Voyager's case Seven could have been a wonderfully cooler addition had they explored what it was for her to be Borg, rarely did they embrace what the Doctor was capable of as a hologram. In both cases the characters were trying to be human rather than embrace what they were. It happens in all the series with Data, Odo, T'Pol, even Spock, they all have to learn to be like the humans. It's what made Farscape so much fun, the aliens got to stay alien.
     
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    I find 7's panicked "I am Borg" declarations to be very touching. Because dear 7, you are not. It's not like some vague bit of the old country you return to in your elder years, you're either plugged in or you're nothing. And I think we see that reality even as 7 refuses to.
     
  6. Gov Kodos

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    I didn't care for it. I saw it as something she was made to be in a maturation chamber. Removing that Borg tech should have been like removing body parts from a person. But the series didn't embrace the idea in that fashion, rather in the standard Trek form of what else could she want to be but human. Such a desire would have been more believable to me had she been a former Starfleet officer from that Borg attack at Wolf 359 (I think) than a child molded to be the Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix 001.
     
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    Doesn't it perhaps say that the Borg are less seductive in their claims to be agents in the search for perfection then what they actually are?

    Humanity (or Klingonity or Vulcanity..) is real. The Borg are just sock puppets. They don't know it, but unplug a person and their real species rears its beautiful head.

    (This is my in universe explanation, I agree with you about Star Trek and the Holy Altar of Human-ness)
     
  8. Gov Kodos

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    More or less. For me, I'd have found more interest in Seven developing a medium between her individuality and being Borg along the lines of those Borg encountered in Unity. Endgame would have been better had they picked up on those Borg, and that Borg civil war Janeway launched in Unimatrix Zero culminating with Seven returning to the Borg to help restructure the Collective into individuals as she had learned to become.
     

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