A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

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  1. Crom!

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    lol that's the thread about the books, not the TV show! :lol:
     
  2. Kosh Naranek

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    I have started reading Dunk and Egg.

    The stories make me like the Targs a bit more. Up until I started reading them, the only Targ I really cared for was Maester Aemon.

    Reading the short stories also make some of the references in ASOIAF make more sense.
     
  3. Tyberius

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    I'm not sure to which post this comment is addressed. But assuming it is mine, from the OP:

    I think this thread is about the TV show as they relate to the books.
     
  4. Skywalker

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    I love the Dunk and Egg tales. I'm actually re-reading the first one now. It's a fascinating look at a very different Westeros. Once Game of Thrones has finished its run, I wouldn't mind seeing an adaptation of Dunk and Egg. I don't know if the same format would work for them, though; maybe it'd be better if they filmed each story as a ninety-minute TV movie, like the old Sharpe films.
     
  5. Evil Twin

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    I read the Dunk and Egg's a year or two ago. The stories are nothing spectacular, but I like how they give you a glimpse of what things were like when the Targaryens were in power.
     
  6. Venardhi

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    The stories are absolutely spectacular. The actions of a dim-witted squire caused the fall of a dynasty.
     
  7. Klaus

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    Question, as my memory of it is not clear... didn't Cersei order the attempt on Tyrion's life in the books? If so, this is another example of them making Jeoffrey nastier and her a wee bit nicer, as they did with the order to kill Robert's bastards.

    I have one of the Dunk & Egg stories in a collection, I've got to get the other two so I can read them.
     
  8. Brendan Moody

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    It's never explicitly said in the books who is responsible for the attempt on Tyrion. He assumes it was Cersei, but is still looking for concrete evidence when other events make the whole matter irrelevant. But the show flat-out saying at this point that it was Joffrey is certainly another case of making her nicer and him (even) nastier.
     
  9. Klaus

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    Well she'll need more sympathy from the fans, assuming we get her arrest and walk of shame eventually. :lol:
     
  10. Captaindemotion

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    I know that she has done nude scenes in the past, but I'd be surprised if Lena Headey did the walk of shame as it's described in the books. I anticipate a body double at least.
     
  11. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    ^^^
    I think she'd perform the nudity herself. The bigger question is whether she'd actually shave her head or go with a bald cap.
     
  12. Tyberius

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    She's had some pretty short hair before (compared to the Game of Thrones hair)

    Maybe they'll just give her a close crop and call it good?

    The real question is will the carpet match the drapes?
     
  13. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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  14. Ayelbourne

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    The show doesn't flat-out say anything about that. Cersei doesn't answer and Tyrion just assumes that it must've been Joff.
     
  15. Brendan Moody

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    Yeah, but in the context of the show's general approach and its avoidance of this kind of ongoing mystery, the intention is pretty obviously to confirm that it was Joffrey.
     
  16. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    Yeah, she communicates it to Tyrion without actually saying it out loud. We're not supposed to think she's being coy and allowing Tyrion to believe it was Joffrey, while it was actually her. We're clearly supposed to take it at face value that it was in fact Joffrey.
     
  17. Ayelbourne

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    But that makes much less sense than pinning it on Cersei. She was the one openly threatened by Tyrion. She's been paranoid about him ever since Maggy the Frog.
    Also, Mandon Moore was her bodyguard.
     
  18. 137th Gebirg

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    ^^^ Precisely. I think in the books it was more implied that she was the one who tried to have him killed, just like she (IIRC) had Lancel try to poison King Robert's wine during his fatal last hunt. Her propensity for such acts is not without precedent.
     
  19. Brendan Moody

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    In the books, sure. I don't think the show is interested in doing foreshadowing and character-motivation logic on that level. All that matters on TV is that Joffrey has a general motive (he hates Tyrion) and opportunity (Moore was a Kingsguard, sworn to follow the king's orders). I mean, technically Joffrey (who doesn't believe the rumors about his parentage) has less reason to order the bastards murdered than Cersei (who knows the rumors are true), but the show explicitly assigned that to him as well.

    Oh, and Robert was given unusually potent wine, not wine that was poisoned.
     
  20. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    The TV show didn't show Mandon Moore as Cersei's bodyguard, did it? It just showed him as part of the Kingsguard. Joffrey had as much motive as Cersei to try to kill Tyrion given how mental Joffrey gets when he's disrespected, which Tyrion has done plenty of. We don't yet know whether the TV show will keep the Maggy the Frog aspect of the story.