A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

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  1. Kegg

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    Which can be done by anyone considered to have the authority. Robert could have legitimized any one of his bastards in death, and Stannis does offer to legitimize Jon Snow as Jon Stark (and thus automatically confer on him a claim on the title Lord of Winterfell). Probably useful to distinguish here between recognized bastards and legitimate bastards - Edric Strom is Robert's only recognized bastard, and he recognized him because his mother was highborn. He hasn't formally recognized his other bastards, and if he legitimized Edric he'd be Edric Baratheon and have a direct claim on the throne.

    So anyway hypothetically all you need to use a bastard to put a claim on the throne is to have someone with sufficient authority legitimize them.

    Of course. In fact one bastard son of the Duke of Normandy did rather well for himself, inheriting first his father's duchy and subsequently going on to successfully seize the English throne.
     
  2. Klaus

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    Ty all, I figured that was it... I only have one question.

    What is this "real life" you speak of? I keep hearing people talk about it... :D
     
  3. Evil Twin

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    It's been on for while (rebooted a few times, I believe the current incarnation is currently in the middle of its 2,012th season) but honestly it's pretty overrated. I wouldn't recommend it. Personally, I found it got pretty dull ever since the epic story arc of the 1,939th - 1,945th seasons wrapped (although the ending was sort of a deus ex machina letdown.)
     
  4. 137th Gebirg

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    ^^^ I'll give it a couple more seasons until I pass judgment. Rumors on the web say that this season might end with a real bang - but I think it's unfounded hype, myself... :D
     
  5. Kegg

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    That's just a fringe fan theory. Great grist for the fanfiction mill I'm sure, but I really doubt TPTB are going in that direction this year.
     
  6. Klaus

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    Hmm.. my sources cite this as about the 4 and a half billionth season. :D
     
  7. 137th Gebirg

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    ^^^ Other fringe elements of the fan base say it's only been on for about 6,000 seasons or so, give or take... :whistle:
     
  8. Kegg

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    Well, we never get any reruns so who cares.
     
  9. Venardhi

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    The series rebooted with the advent of man, the premiere episode "Fire" was clearly intended to be a new starting point. The other series is still in continuity but you don't need to have seen it to enjoy the current production.
     
  10. CaptainCanada

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    In that instance the person doing the legitimizing would presumably be the one who already holds (or claims) the throne, so it's not really clear why they'd want to legitimize a rival claimant.
     
  11. Kegg

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    In the case of Stannis for example it might simply be the need for a designated heir (given Shireen's condition).
     
  12. Skywalker

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    Tower of the Hand linked to this blog post about trying to figure out the most ideal way to reorder the chapters of Feast and Dance and essentially turn them both into one mega-book. What do you guys think? I like the idea, though I don't agree with the author's stance on not preserving the Quentyn Martell reveal (much as I loathe Quentyn's storyline in ADWD). He links to another take (Google Docs link) on reordering the books which does try to preserve that reveal.
     
  13. Kegg

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    Well so long as they cut most (if not all) of the Tyrion chapters, if they're planning on cutting material for this hypothetical merger. I think at most you'd need about two or three of those - him with Ilyrio, the one where he talks to Aegon, and then maybe one with him and Jorah.
     
  14. Skywalker

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    I don't see anything about cutting material at all, it's just a reordering of all the chapters from both books into a vaguely chronological order (for the most part).
     
  15. Colonel Midnight

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    Ironically enough, I just tried doing that very thing (not actually merging the two books, but flipping back and forth -- Thank you, Kindle!). I found that if you went about 10% on ADWD, then 20%, sometimes 30% or so on AFFC, it works pretty well.

    The only real wonky part chronologically were the Arianne chapters, believe it or not -- right when the 'Mountain's' skull shows up in Dorne, as all of the Sand Snakes and Arianne are free of their prison cells (thus after AFFC, basically)... yet it's only about 1/2 through ADWD.

    It was a good challenge, to say the least.

    Cheers,
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  16. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    The first person responding in the comments section on that blog is Bryan Cogman. :cool:
     
  17. Venardhi

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    The problem with reordering is that not even the individual books themselves are necessarily chronological. The characters' stories are basically just spread through the book for optimal pacing/impact as a whole, unless they're interacting with other character threads.
     
  18. Skywalker

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    It's not really a problem. The two different reorderings I linked to do try to follow a generally chronological order, but for the most part they place pacing and narrative over chronology. The only chapters that seem to be an issue are the Arianne/Quentyn ones. Quentyn's storyline starts in ADWD before Arianne's does in AFFC, but the end of Arianne's storyline sets up a cliffhanger leading into the beginning of Quentyn's because AFFC was published first.
     
  19. Klaus

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    Here's another question from rewatching... Jamie said there were "maybe three men" in the kingdoms who could beat him in a fight. It's likely the brothers Clegane and Loras, but what do you think? Is Selmy too old, or does he swap out for Loras on experience?
     
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    I would say it's intended to be Selmy (they've had Jaime fanboying him for pretty much the whole show), one of the Clegane brothers, and either the other Clegane or Loras Tyrell.
     

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