A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

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  1. InklingStar

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    ^^ Is that Robb and Catelyn? I can't tell. If so, it's not too tragic, because they do see each other again. They die in the same room together, in fact...
     
  2. Skywalker

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    It is Robb and Catelyn. The line is at the end of the conversation where he orders her south to treat with Renly. Cat is distraught because she wants Robb to trade Jaime Lannister for Sansa and Arya, which of course he can't do. Robb tries to comfort Cat by saying when the war is over, they'll get the girls back and the family will be together again.

    So, yeah, knowing what happens to them later on, that's a pretty sad line.
     
  3. InklingStar

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    I suppose so. It's less sad than Ned and Cat's farewell in King's Landing though, where book readers know they will never see each other again.

    Come to think of it, none of the Starks have been together (save Cat and Robb in Storm) since they split up. I wonder what the first reunion will be in Winds or Dream.
     
  4. OdoWanKenobi

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    Or, knowing Martin, if there will ever be any reunions at all. :(
     
  5. superdeluxe

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    Well considering Robb meant the entire family. And that never happens, I think it's pretty sad
     
  6. The Green Mushroom

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    I read somewhere, but can't remember where, that Martin once described the series as a trilogy--A Game of Thrones, A Dance with Dragons, The Winds of Winter.

    But not as many might think: originally A Game of Thrones ended with the Red Wedding. If that is true it would explain why he was able to get the first three books out so quickly--they were originally one novel that he decided to break into three, sort of like Lord of the Rings but by author rather than publisher fiat.

    Of course that might also mean that by his original plan we may still only be in Book Two based on where Crows and Dragons ended.
     
  7. Skywalker

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    I don't know how true that is, but I'll roll with that idea here. If it's true, I actually think he's mostly on "Book Three" now, it's just going to take two novels to tell it all instead of just one. AFFC/ADWD are primarily the resolution of several plot issues that had long been giving Martin fits, which is why it took more than a decade to write them. Supposedly, with The Winds of Winter, he's more or less back on track, which hopefully means he'll be able to get it and A Dream of Spring finished sooner. I'm sure by this point he's just as eager to finish the series as we are to see him finish it.
     
  8. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    The titles for episodes seven and eight of the second season have been revealed, along with further confirmation of the title of episode nine. We now have the titles of all of season two's episodes save the season finale:

    1. The North Remembers
    2. The Night Lands
    3. What Is Dead May Never Die
    4. Garden of Bones
    5. The Ghost of Harrenhal
    6. The Old Gods and the New
    7. A Man Without Honor
    8. The Prince of Winterfell
    9. Blackwater
     
  9. Shurik

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    According to a poster on WiC, the 10th episode is called Valar Morghulis. Info from HBO Asia:
    http://www.hboasia.com/weboriginal/episode/game-of-thrones-s210-valor-morghulis-11685
     
  10. InklingStar

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    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQsdIX7P4nk&feature=g-all-u&context=G2bf8a94FAAAAAAAABAA[/yt]

    I love Catelyn's line about the knights of summer, and I'm glad to see it onscreen.
     
  11. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    George R.R. Martin has revealed that he'll be writing the seventh episode of the third season and that the episode has the working title of "Autumn Swords". He confirms that, as expected, the third season will have 10 episodes.
     
  12. Ayelbourne

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    Autumn Storms. Not Autumn Swords.

    It might be the Red Wedding or it might be the episode before the Red Wedding.
     
  13. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    Whoops! Right you are.
     
  14. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    One thing I think they should have shown in the last episode is that making the shadow baby took a significant toll on Stannis - hence why shadow babies can't be produced repeatedly to do Stannis' bidding. I think that would have assuaged a lot of the complaints from viewers who haven't read the books. Maybe they'll explain the cost of the shadow baby later, but I think it should have been dealt with already.
     
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    Oh that's nice. I remember reading some commentators who seemed convinced that the series had written Shireen out of the family tree - i.e., have Stannis as a childless man, just as Davos' many sons coalesced into basically one character.
     
  17. CaptainCanada

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    I thought that based on Melisandre's line about "stillbirths", which could have referred only to the discussed sons, but came across like he had no children at all.
     
  18. InklingStar

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    I wonder if she will have Patchface trailing behind her.
     
  19. Klaus

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    And, sadly, not being marriageable means she has no purpose in Westeros...
     
  20. Kegg

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    In the event of Stannis' death she'd be his heir, as sterile as she is (and for that matter, Daenerys is). Doesn't seem terribly likely that the book series will end with a barren Queen Shireen on the Iron Throne, but hey, it's... something.
     

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