A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Out Of My Vulcan Mind, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

    Out Of My Vulcan Mind Vice Admiral Admiral

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    In the book Cersei ordered 10,000 jars of wildfire to be produced before Tyrion's arrival as Hand.
     
  2. DarthPipes

    DarthPipes Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Agreed.

    For the show, there's no need for two shadowbabies.
     
  3. JD

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    All of this stuff I'm hearing about Season 2 is really making me want to read A Clash of Kings. But I just realized that I have 119 books that I own but haven't read yet. I want to get that down by alot before I start buying books again.
     
  4. setvenharis

    setvenharis Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Can I ask, Is the two paperbacks of A Dance with Dragons (Dreams and Dust and After the Feast) combined in the hardback version of A Dance of Dragons?
     
  5. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

    Out Of My Vulcan Mind Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yes, the hardback has both.
     
  6. Hyperspace05

    Hyperspace05 Commodore Commodore

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    The split paperbacks they release in the UK are so bizarre. The books aren't THAT large.
     
  7. Colonel Midnight

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    ^ IIRC, wasn't ASOS released in 4 books in France? Criminy!

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  8. Takeru

    Takeru Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    They split every book into two volumes here in Germany as well. It's a little bit annoying but at least they're consistent and you know you have to get two books for every original release from the start.
     
  9. Hyperspace05

    Hyperspace05 Commodore Commodore

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    Are they published at the time or do they make you wait for part II?
     
  10. Takeru

    Takeru Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    They make us wait a little bit, ADWD will be released in may and june. They released new translations of the old books to build up hype for the new one, that's why we're getting it a little bit later, the scond part of AFFC was just Re-released this month.

    The new translations are controversial, they eliminated all english names and translated them into german (greyjoy became graufreud, riverrun schnellwasser etc.). I like the change, if the books are in german it makes no sense to keep english names in a fantasy setting that is not an english speaking country.
     
  11. Shurik

    Shurik Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I can understand the translation of places, cities, castles or nicknames (Hebrew translation had that too), but translating family names? Doesn't sound right to me ... Did the new translation also changed Targaryen, Umber, Clegane and such into something else?
     
  12. Takeru

    Takeru Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    No, Targaryen is still Targaryen, they changed names when they are easilly recognizable as english words that the average german reader understands. That's why Greyjoy, Snow etc. were translated while Arryn, Lannister etc. remained unchanged.

    It really makes a lot of sense to me, it's weird if you read a fantasy novel in german and suddenly stumble over someone named Jon Snow. The surname Snow makes no sense in that context, because the english language doesn't exist in Westeros.
    It's like the translation of The Lord of the Rings where Tolkien instructed the translators to get rid of everything english.
     
  13. Ayelbourne

    Ayelbourne Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Did they translate "Stark"? Because it exists in both german and english but with different meanings.
     
  14. Hyperspace05

    Hyperspace05 Commodore Commodore

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    For those that are interested, here is a recent 3-part interview/Q&A (1.5 hrs) with GRRM, and at the end of part 3 he reads a new(?) chapter from "Winds of Winter":
    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S51i0EANGA
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGwdWUl25AU
    3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlJblxV3QHQ (the chapter reading starts at 30:20 mark)

    The POV for the chapter is Victarion - sounds like the first or one of the first chapters of the book.

    In part 3 he also gives his opinion on the recent Marvel film adaptations.
     
  15. setvenharis

    setvenharis Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    So...who believes the theory that Jon Snow is not the bastard son of Eddard Stark, but the son of Rhaegar Targaryn and Eddard's sister Lyanna?
     
  16. Anwar

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    If it's true, I hope nothing comes of it because Jon decides he will stay with the Night's Watch. Fits the deconstructionist nature of ASOIAF that the "Secret Prince" cliche ends up being irrelevant.
     
  17. CaptainCanada

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    It's the only theory that really fits the mystery backstory pieces we've been given, at least from the clues.

    Jon's death at the end of book five (and presumed resurrection) seems pretty specifically something to release him from his vows, so I doubt he'll stay with the Watch at the end (whether there'll be a need for a Watch at all at the end is open to question, if the White Walkers are defeated and the Wildlings are gone, there doesn't seem to be much for the Watch to do on a day-to-day basis).
     
  18. Venardhi

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    Honestly once you figure it out the whole thing seems obvious. Unless it is all one giant misdirection done just to spite the people who really study the books, there is no other answer.
     
  19. InklingStar

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    I figured that out halfway through book 1. Nothing I have come across has given me reason to believe otherwise. Why would the Kingsguard stay at the Tower of Joy guarding Lyanna Stark while Prince Viserys was on Dragonstone?
     
  20. Takeru

    Takeru Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    No, you already said it, it's a word that exists in german so they kept it. It's obvious they really tried to keep as many names as possible, they were only changed when they almost jumped of the page and screamed english. I don't even remember family names other than the Greyjoys and the various bastard's names being changed, it's mostly locations and nicknames (Littlefinger, Hot Pie).
     

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