A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Out Of My Vulcan Mind, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. JD

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    I noticed that actually seems to be pretty common for these kinds of long running series, at least judging by the reviews on Amazon. Which makes sense, I guess, after a while authors probably start running out of good ideas, or feel more free to get carried away with unnecessary stuff.
     
  2. Colonel Midnight

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    ^ True. Although, in GRRM's case, I personally tend to think he has too MANY ideas and likes to wander off the path of the primary plotline(s) too easily, or invent/create yet another new character...

    But, that's just IMO. YMMV, of course.

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  3. Shurik

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    AGOT is the tightest written book in the series so far. Not the best - that's A Storm Of Swords - but the one that has the least food, clothes and traveling descriptions.
    An example (if you are 600 pages in, I think it won't spoil anything) - Catelyn goes from Winterfell to King's Landing and her entire journey there is skipped. One chapter she's in Winterfell (it's the chapter with an assassin's attack on Bran) and the next she's entering King's Landing and that's it. In later books this entire journey would have taken at least 3-4 chapters, where most of the text would be a descriptions of what's going on around her, what is she wearing, eating, what's the story behind every tree, stone and ruin on the way.
     
  4. JD

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    Ugh, I'm not a big fan of that kind of stuff. Hopefully it won't be bad enough to ruin the books for me.
     
  5. Klaus

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    Well fortunately for GRRM, some of us like the further detailing of the world... :D But as I noted upthread or somewhere similar, I'm a bit out of step with the attitude of most fen I know about this sort of thing. I'm quite willing to wait and see the whole thing before I decide what was a waste of time and what wasn't... but that doesn't seem to be a common approach these days.

    Hell, I like Stephen Donaldson! :lol: :angel:
     
  6. Colonel Midnight

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    ^ Holy Guac... I thought I was the only person around here to admit that!! :)
    Although it is handy to have a dictionary nearby with him. :lol:

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  7. Klaus

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    ^^There are a few of us, not many... though the books sell quite well. And the Gap series makes Covenant look like a Sunday School picnic!
     
  8. Shurik

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    Depends on how sensitive are you to this sort of stuff. I don't mind it that much even if I complain about it a lot. It didn't ruin AFFC and ADWD for me, it just made those books somewhat less exciting than the first three.
     
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    ^"My son knows how to spell most of the characters' names, so maybe I'll let him wrap the whole thing up."

    Ok, I usually just stare angrily when someone links to The Onion, but I got a laugh out of that.
     
  11. ProwlAlpha

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    I say Martin has nothing on Robert Jordan's endless, mind numbing, pointless chapters of useless information.
     
  12. Caliburn24

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    Is there any long running fantasy series that maintains the pace of its first two or three books?

    I can't really think of one off-hand.

    A Dance with Dragons felt almost identical to the later Jordan WoT books, in terms of pacing and overly flowery digressions and descriptions.

    How can any series with over a dozen POV characters and hundreds of other characters be expected to move as lightly and freely as it did at the beginning?
     
  13. Venardhi

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    Have an editor who knows when to break out the Valyrian steel.
     
  14. JD

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    I haven't read any of the series yet myself, but the reviews for the Brandon Sanderson WoT books are much better than the last few Robert Jordan ones. So it looks like he might have managed to get the series back where it started quality wise.
     
  15. Caliburn24

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    Sanderson's WoT books are pretty good, I'm not sure if I would say they equal the earlier WoT books though. Certainly not in pacing. But we are invested in the characters and stuff is actually happening again. Huge world ending things.

    And I am never going to see changing authors mid-series as optimal.
     
  16. Yoda

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    Man, if "Eye of the World" is one of the 'good' books in that series... I dread to think of what comes later!
     
  17. Shurik

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    I've managed to finish Eye of the World, but it was a very difficult struggle. The second book was even more boring, so I abandoned it somewhere in the middle.
     
  18. Caliburn24

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    Eye of the World is rough in a lot of ways, and introduces way too many characters and settings too fast. I can understand not liking it.

    But if you don't like the second book than yes, the series is not for you. Outside a few isolated moments in later books("Asha'man rolling ring of earth and fire!") I would say books 2, 3, 4, and maybe 5 are the consistently best part of the series.
     
  19. Skywalker

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    I enjoyed The Eye of the World quite a bit. Even though it started out as a fairly basic fantasy story (young man goes off on a quest to save the world after his rural home is destroyed), I really liked the world Jordan created. I remember liking The Great Hunt, too, but for some reason I stopped partway through The Dragon Reborn and never got back into it. That was nearly ten years ago, though, and I think the big reason was I'd gotten kind of disenchanted with the series because of what people were saying about the later books. Now that Sanderson is wrapping up the series, I might finally give WoT another chance.
     
  20. Out Of My Vulcan Mind

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    Here's the list of directors for the second season:

    Episode 1: Alan Taylor
    Episode 2: Alan Taylor
    Episode 3: Alik Sakharov
    Episode 4: David Petrarca
    Episode 5: David Petrarca
    Episode 6: David Nutter
    Episode 7: David Nutter
    Episode 8: Alan Taylor
    Episode 9: Neil Marshall
    Episode 10: Alan Taylor

    Alan Taylor directed "Fire and Blood" and "Baelor" in the first season and he's been hired to direct Thor 2. Neil Marshall is the director of the films Dog Soldiers, The Descent, Doomsday and Centurion. This is the first time he's directed for television. His episode is "Blackwater".