A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones Spoiler-Filled Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Out Of My Vulcan Mind, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. DalekJim

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    I've already been burned by the Dune series. At least the show finishing the story is preferable to one of GRRM's relatives and a bloody Star Wars novel writer taking over writing duties.
     
  2. Brendan Moody

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    After the mess Brandon Sanderson made finishing The Wheel of Time, which was already bloated and not especially good, I'd rather get no ending (except TV, or even including TV) than someone else trying to finish A Song of Ice and Fire without an impossibly detailed outline.
     
  3. DalekJim

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    I think Brandon Sanderson is an excellent writer, though I've only read his Mistborn series.
     
  4. Brendan Moody

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    I haven't read any of his original work; I don't read much novel-length fantasy these days. I understand that some of his fans feel the recent stuff is more awkward and less polished than his early books. But in any case, his Wheel of Time ending is such a mess that it isn't even better than the plodding middle books by the original author, which make A Dance with Dragons look like A Storm of Swords. Anachronistic language, wooden dialogue, poor characterization, an utter lack of thematic subtlety... whatever gifts he has are roundly absent. He was plainly chosen for that job more because he was a prolific writer from the same publisher and a Jordan fan than because he was actually any good at writing in that world. I worry that a similar profit motive would infest any ASOIAF completion.
     
  5. DalekJim

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    I'd most likely not be impressed with anybody else trying to write the final novel from GRRM's notes, but if he was nearing completion on A Dream of Spring before he died, then I'd welcome a job like Christopher Tolkien did with The Silmarillion. An excellent novel and probably the best fantasy book I own. Even if it makes me angry sometimes that Christopher didn't include Dagor Dagorath. A hugely important part of the legendarium.
     
  6. Tom Hendricks

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  7. Brendan Moody

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    Yeah, that's a nice interview. The first flat-out confirmation I've seen that the five-year gap wasn't part of the original plan, though that was always implicit in the way he talked about the development of the series. And it's good to see him moderating his often childish talk about Sliders and Doorways.
     
  8. DalekJim

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    Good interview, I actually agree with much of his rational regarding showing Dany in Meereen fucking up. A shame the execution didn't quite live up to that.
     
  9. Brendan Moody

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    Yeah. It's a pity that Feast and Dance, which are a generally realistic and nuanced portrayal of stuff fantasy generally skips over, have pacing problems that exacerbate their rejection by fans who think that quality is all about "battles and sword fights and assassinations."
     
  10. DalekJim

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    They're both underrated by fans, especially A Feast For Crows which only has a few pacing problems, and is largely excellent. I'd rate it above the original A Game of Thrones book, actually. I think a few of the Dorne and Ironborn chapters could have been merged, and the early Brienne chapters are too slow, but other than that it's a masterful book.

    For all it's huge faults A Dance With Dragons is also kinda underrated by fans as all the non-Essos stuff is really good, and I like the Arya and Victarion plots in Essos a great deal. My major gripes with that book are almost entirely to do with Tyrion and Dany's plotlines (Which take up 22 chapters!) so the sooner those 2 get to Westeros, the sooner the series will be back to the quality it should be. I'm dreading having to deal with Dany spending elongated amounts of time with the Dothraki, I'm seemingly the only fan that couldn't case less about them. Uninteresting savages.
     
  11. 137th Gebirg

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    They may have been more interesting if there was more of them, as opposed to the rag tag bunch of shiftless nomads they've dwindled down to since Drogo's death. I was actually hoping they'd run into another Khalasar just to see what would happen - would certainly have been more interesting, IMO, than some of her exploits around the 'Bay. Have the dragons incinerate the Khal after watching his bluster and posturing and then >poof< - fricasseed Khal.
     
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  13. Brendan Moody

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    Gatiss' casting was mentioned last week, but you may have missed the discussion among all the political talk around that time.
     
  14. Darth_Daver

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    So who COULD be Gatiss playing? I don't remember any non-martell non-essos character introduced in the second part of book 3, and he doesn't look either.
     
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  16. Lonemagpie

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    Thought it might have been, but the thread had jumped several pages since I last looked in.
     
  17. Tom Hendricks

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  18. 137th Gebirg

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    ^^^ THAT is bloody amazing! :eek:
     
  19. Kosh Naranek

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    That cake is amazing. I am not sure I would have had the heart to cut it.

    The flowers and the gowns were stunning. They didn't use blue roses though. Shame on them! :rommie:

    I quite enjoyed Feast for Crows. I especially enjoyed the glimpses into everyone's psyche in the aftermath of all of the carnage that had happened up to that point. As a reader I tend to enjoy the building blocks of a story more than the pay off.

    I also enjoyed large chunks of Dance. However, I felt that slogging through Tyrion's and Dany's chapters became a chore. I found myself frustrated by those two characters especially. I found both of them to be myopic and tiresome.
     
  20. Rhaven

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    That cake is awesome. The link showing their wedding was great, too.