A philosophical question regarding transporter technology.

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  1. Pauln6

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    True but Trek has traditionally shied away from religious notions and it becomes hard to deal with non-scientific notions of an independent consciousness or soul without straying into that territory. Studies on alzheimers are beginning to yield pretty strong information on how memories are stored and accessed physically. Having said that, Trek has plenty of examples of 'energy beings' who could not exist in our dimension based on our current understanding of physics. But the two notions come into conflict. If our memories are physical then what does that even leave for an independent consciousness? A multidimensional existence seems to me to be the only sensible explanation that covers both bases i.e. our quantum information exists in another dimension as well as our own and transporting simply phases or breaks down the physical copy from this dimension while leaving the 'soul' in the other dimension intact and linked on a quantum level to the energy in the matter stream in our dimension.
     
  2. Paradon

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    That's not what I meant when I said a jury is still out about what is consciousness. I'm saying nobody knows what consciousness really is. I did not mention anything supernatural about it. And besides...A lot of time you have to listen to your gut feelings to look for answer and look for clues. A good scientist can articulate his gut feelings better than the average people. If you wanna go into that sort of things, everybody assumes, but whether they have evidence to back it up is another. You have to assume and go with gut feelings to explore other possibility if you want to be a good scientist. Math can be pretty tricky and can blind you to the truth if you don't listen to your gut feelings. Sometime you are looking for the solution in a wrong place. Like I said Math is an art form and it depends on an artist for life, so you have to be willing to go out on a limb to find another possibility to search for a solution. I guess you can call it a good guess! ;)
     
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  3. Pauln6

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    Fore me it is less a matter of answering unknowable pholosphical or scietific questions and more a case of coming up with a plausible explanation for conflicting canon - and by plausible I mean plausible within the confines of Trek science where we know that multiple dimensions exist.
     
  4. Gary7

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    Yep... and here we had Data in "Measure of a Man" being concerned that the replication of his positronic net might be feasible but may not capture the "essence" of his memories. The "flavor." Heck, if an android is concerned about that when you're talking about electronic circuitry and memory storage, the argument for human beings would be much stronger. The "nuances" of how our memories are connected together could be lost as well...

    I've always wanted there to be a transporter malfunction episode where people's minds are altered in subtle ways... somehow those nuances were lost, but not immediately perceived. The transporter pattern buffer checksum shows a 0.001% variance error, and somehow the warning routine threshold was accidentally set to 0.01%. You start noticing some psychotic breakdowns occurring in several of the crew. At first, just attributed to some stressful experiences, but eventually realized to be a transporter flaw. Barclay wouldn't be a victim in the episode, but instead an investigator with a passion to find the answers.
     
  5. T'Girl

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    Both Enemy Within and Tuvix fit that bill, it would depend on what you meant by "subtle."

    People change over time in the Star trek universe, how much of that was natural progression, and how much due to transporter "alteration?"

    :):):)
     
  6. Pauln6

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    Except that Our Man Bashir contradicts this, where humanoid brains are copied into digital format and restored with no ill effects. That was more akin to the Ilia Probe where the original information is copied successfully into digital format but subsumed by new additional memories (aka programming). The probe wasn't Ilia because it was artificial (and super strong), although they were quite vague on what she was actually made from. If Ilia Probe had simply been a transporter 'copy' with additional programming would she count as the brainwashed original or an artificial biological mechanism? That's one of the issues I'd like to explore in my Youtube story.
     

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