A Niner Watches Babylon 5 (NO spoilers, please)

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  1. Forbin

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    Yeah, I'd forgotten. PTEN was one of the first networks to have "mid season hiatuses" (Hiati?) and leave us hanging for three months at a time.
     
  2. Neroon

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    One word. Z'ha'dum. As in
    it was the S3 finale, ending on the sheer magnitude of Sheridan's leap and the destruction of the city. Yet the power of that moment is blunted greatly by the fact that the studio decided to delay it's release until the beginning of S4.

    I am not saying that all of these "big events" should have been confined to a specific placement, just that the mucking about by the studio seemed clumsy to me with the effect it had on those big events that were placed more traditionally. Such as that encoded above.
     
  3. Jan

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    Yes siree, Bob, these young whippersnappers don't know how easy they've got it, I tell ya. Watchin' on them newfangled DeeVeeDees and knowin' that they'll get the whole show. Now, in my day, we never knew from one week to the next if it'd get pre-empted or shifted around...I tell ya it was hell, pure hell! Months between episodes an' god help you if your recorder missed cause you were jus' outa luck. We didn't have none o' that streamin' video or download'n in my day!

    (and we walked five miles to school every day, barefoot in the snow and it was uphill both ways. ;))

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  4. Vestboy

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    Back in '95, I would go around campus with a tape of "The Long, Twilight Struggle" in my bag, and would occasionally tell people, "Hey, you want to see a cool space battle?" with the pretense that I would only show them the Narn/Shadow battle. And they'd stay glued to the screen to the end of the episode. In about two weeks, I had converted many people into Babylon 5 fans.
     
  5. TheGodBen

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    Cat Out of the Bag (**½)

    This was a bit of a let down after the last episode, but this show does have a tendency to blow me away with one episode and follow it up with something that's average at best. Actually, that's not really fair because parts of this story were excellent, other parts of it were just weird. The G'Kar stuff was great. It started out a little slow, five minutes of watching him meditating was too much, but once Ivanova and Na'Toth arrived to "cheer him up" I was hooked. Who knew that Narn women have five nipples per breast? And I was shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that her carpet did not match the drapes.

    The b-plot was just weird. Firstly, Sheridan decides to go back to the Babylon Triangle on his own (because he's an idiot), and then he has the gall to be freaked out when he is chased by a giant cat. You shouldn't have gone walking in the weird area of the station on your own if you don't want to be chased by giant cats, you muppet! Of course, the cat turns out to be an illusion by the technomages who have returned to give Sheridan an important message; a great darkness is about to befall the galaxy. Sheridan's reply of "No Sherlock, shithead!" didn't even make sense, but I've decided to take it as my new catchphrase.

    The reveal that the technomages are really small bird-like puppets in disguise was not only stupid, but it also showed off how low the budget for this show is. I mean, you could see the strings! Also, I think I saw this on another sci-fi show once, but I can't remember its name. Hopefully this is the last DiTillio episode I'll have to watch.

    Captain Greyshirt: 13
    Scott Bakula: 36


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  6. Jan

    Jan Commodore Commodore

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    Either TGB is on meds again, TGB has gone off his meds or it's April 1.

    Or all of the above.

    Jan
     
  7. Neroon

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    I'm thinking we all should adopt TGB's avatar as our own just for the day.

    That was brilliant, TGB :lol:
     
  8. Forbin

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    And my family lived in a shoebox! :lol:
     
  9. Hyperspace05

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    Luxury! :)
     
  10. RandyS

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    Rich boy.
     
  11. TheGodBen

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    Comes the Inquisitor (**½)

    Wow, my April's Fool review was actually right; great G'Kar plot, boring and silly Sheridan plot involving magic. It's a pity there wasn't a giant cat, that might have made up for things.

    Firstly G'Kar, very enjoyable stuff. He wastes no time in plotting a resistance against the Centauri and begins making partnerships with the likes of Garibaldi and Sheridan. The fact that the story became yet another plot where G'Kar had to prove himself to the Narns on the station was a little too standard, but at the same time it was a nice reminder that things people take for granted (regular communication with home) are taken away with war. I really liked the part about Vir apologising to G'Kar, especially since we know that Vir really did try to stop Londo from doing all this, and G'Kar's response was good too. I don't know what's happening because I've run out of painkillers but I'm still liking Vir. Maybe it will take another few days for them to completely exit my system? :confused:

    Alas, Jack the Ripper shows up for some reason and he tortures Delenn because... well, you have to fill 42 minutes somehow. It was like watching a horrible flashback to Soul Hunter, but this time the droning and repetitive lines are spoken in a British accent. And the point of all this? We learn that Delenn and Sheridan are the right people in the right place at the right time. So they'll win then? That's good to know, now I wont need to watch the rest of the series. ;)

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  12. RandyS

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    ^Okay, I have to ask, why do you keep mentioning Scott Bakula, who had nothing whatsoever to do with Babylon 5? Am I missing some stupid joke, or what?
     
  13. Kegg

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    There's another for the Scott Bakula?! counter. Been awhile...
    It's that they're right conceptually speaking rather than having the actual know-how - that is, they have the Vorlon-approved notion of what true heroism is and so on.
     
  14. CorporalClegg

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    I think you're spot on. This episode seems to be highly regarded, but I just don't get it. You have this hamfest of an actor who just endlessly prattles on and on about some nonsense or another with badly over-written dialog. If there's one thing I have to say about JMS is he has a really bad habit of over writing.
     
  15. One of the things I like about these reviews is that they break a lot of the 'standard talking points' that the hardcore B5 fans have developed over the years. It's a good show, at times very good, but many times its overrated. This plot is one of those cases. I can think of few plots dumber than Vorlons kidnapping Jack the Ripper, and having him torture our heroes to see if they are the right people to lead a war. Well that Spider-Man story that JMS co-wrote about Peter Parker and the devil with the rewriting history so he was never married was pretty stupid too.
     
  16. Neroon

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    To each their own. What I find to be so good about "Comes the Inquisitor" is the different pace it takes. I find it thoughtful in the examination of the two people who will be the leaders of this fight. In fact, that strikes me as a bit more original than most, given that we usually have "the hero" in so many other similar settings anointed without question. Yeah, using "Jack the Ripper" to conduct that examination is a bit out there alright, but not to the point that it overwhelms the underlying point: that Kosh had to be certain Sheridan and Delenn understood what is being asked of them from all angles. To assign a lower ranking based on the plot device of Jack the Ripper is understandable, because it does seem overly melodramatic... but then he was also apparently embroiled in his own "holy cause" just like our two central leaders. To dismiss that storyline because of the plot device may be understandable, but misses the crux of that story.
     
  17. Jan

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    One thing that JMS likes to do is stick two people in a room and see what happens. In this episode, some of Sebastian's aproach to questioning Delenn is based on something called the Synanon game (not sure I've got that right) where asking the same question repeatedly forces the subject to discover things about themselves.

    I thought the episode said a lot about the Vorlons and brought Sheridan & Delenn closer. I liked it a lot.

    Jan
     
  18. Lindley

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    Wayne Alexander actually has several additional roles on the series later on, although I think this was his first appearance. You quickly realize that whatever "hamminess" Sebastian had, it must have been a choice, because the later roles are played rather differently.
     
  19. Deranged Nasat

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    Plus the whole point of the Sebastian character is that he was a complete fanatic who had a supremely difficult revelation- thanks to the Vorlons- that he was in fact totally mistaken about himself. Now he's dedicated (equally fanatically it seems) to ensuring other people with ideas of their own "destiny" aren't making the same mistakes. So of course the character is played a little over-the-top- he's an over-the-top kind of guy. :lol:
     
  20. stonester1

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    Loved this ep. Also love your new sig, Neroon.