A Niner Watches Babylon 5 (NO spoilers, please)

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  1. Lindley

    Lindley Moderator with a Soul Moderator

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    I liked that the lurker from "Chrysalis" turned out to be one of the telepaths. Especially since we're told they've been coming through since at least "The Quality of Mercy". Gives things a subtle bit of continuity.
     
  2. Kegg

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    It's also a handy way to reuse an actor. ;) Babylon 5 is all about turning cost efficency into a plus, story-wise.
     
  3. RandyS

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    Me too. In fact, I always thought Bester should have been the one to lead the telepaths instead of Byron. Okay, yeah, that probably wouldn't have worked, but since Babylon 5 liked to take the characters "as far from the people they were at the start", it would have fitted in with where Bester was as a person the first time we saw him.
     
  4. Fist McStrongpunch

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    NO SPOILERS!!!
     
  5. Skywalker

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    It's funny how quickly people can let themselves get carried away by the conversation.

    Take it easy, guys. There's no fun in this if you give everything away before TGB can see it for himself.
     
  6. TheGodBen

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    Luckily in this case I got as far as "...leader of the tele" before my eyes shot away from the post. Sykonee's thread in the DS9 forum has given me plenty of practice in avoiding B5 spoilers, although I'm still kicking myself for reading a spoiler a certain Kai posted there.

    I watched The Coming of Shadows tonight, and while I'll write up a formal post tomorrow I'll just say this; what an awful episode! :wtf:


    :shifty:
     
  7. tomalak301

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    Are you joking or did you really think Coming of Shadows was bad. If it's the latter, you might want to stop watching B5 right now on the basis of this show might not be for you.
     
  8. Hyperspace05

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    TGB is shifty. :shifty: ;)
     
  9. RoJoHen

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    Shifty eyes are shifty. :shifty:

    This thread has been giving me B5 dreams. I might have to start rewatching it soon.
     
  10. tomalak301

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    I'm always confused what :shifty: is supposed to mean. Is it a shrug, not caring, problems with the eyes? If it was problems with the eyes, wouldn't :rolleyes: worth better? ;)
     
  11. Canadave

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    I think TGB is not exactly as he appears. ;)
     
  12. sidious618

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    I actually find The Coming of Shadows to be a little bit overrated.
     
  13. Kegg

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    We-ell...

    "The Long Twilight Struggle" also has some of the best moments in the second season, and would be a clear runner up for me, but I would still pick "The Coming of Shadows" as my favourite episode of the second season.

    When people faff about for what seems about forever that this show is going to eventually probably get good, it's pretty much this episode that is the final tipping point, typically. People might say it gets good in the latter half of the first season, or the second season starter, but nobody ever says it gets good after "The Coming of Shadows."

    That, and in my view Babylon 5 is really Londo's story; in that his arc is by far the most interesting thing in the show. This episode is a powerhouse example of why that is the case.
     
  14. stonester1

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    Y'all...TGB did what is traditionally called a "teaser". You did catch the "shifty" smilie, didn't you?

    He was kidding. In fact, I'll wager, like most of us, he was blown away by it.
     
  15. Asbo Zaprudder

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    Jerry Doyle was in an episode of "Moonlighting", wasn't he? Oddly, that's the only episode that I think I ever watched.
     
  16. TheGodBen

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    The Coming of Shadows (*)

    Okay, it's not so bad as to be a zero, but it's not far from it. Who wrote this travesty, Mike Sussman? Absolutely nothing happened in this episode. There was some explosions and an old guy I don't know died, but other than that nothing of consequence occurred. I can't believe that some people actually like this episode, I mean, did you see those visual effects? They looked like primitive CGI from the mid ninties, or something. I'd expect rubbish looking effects like this from the Nintendo Entertainment System, but as a sophisticated viewer of modern entertainment shows this episode did not meet my high standards for things being blowed up real good.

    Now I'm just going to type random stuff to make it seem like as if this is a real review for those that glance at it. You don't have to read this if you're only interested in my thoughts on Babylon 5, you can skip on to the next post. Actually, I need to pee, I'll be back in a minute.

    Ah, that's better. I should probably shave, but I have no intention of going out today so there's not much point really. Say, have you guys seen Crystal Swing yet? I imagine they'll be bigger than Elvis some day. Yes, I am being sarcastic. I enjoy a good bit of sarcasm, but sometimes I feel like I rely on it a bit too much in the real world in order to hide the weirder side of my humour. I once wore a cowboy hat while while going through an airport just to look odd, and I was selected for a "random" bag search. The guy found my electric razor and asked me what it was. It's an electric razor, what did he think I was going to say it was? "Oh, that's just my detonator, now look some more and see if you can find the bomb." Imagine how embarrassing it must be to have to perform a random bag search and find it filled with sexy women's underwear. Now imagine how embarrassing it must be for the dude whose bag it is. Now imagine how embarrassing it must be for the dude's son who is standing next to him. No, I'm not speaking from personal experience.

    One more paragraph should do it. Did anyone see that Hitler movie, Downfall? I watched it when Channel 4 aired it back in 07, but I received a call right at the point where all those parody videos take place and to this day I don't know what actually happened in that scene. I imagine it was probably a great scene when viewed in context, but I've only ever seen it with Hitler complaining about being banned from Xbox Live, or a rebuttal to some dumb crap Glenn Beck said. You know, I share a birthday with Glenn Beck. I'm not the same age, obviously, but we share the date. Do you ever suppose that Glenn Beck watched Babylon 5?

    Right, I reckon that should do it. If you read this then... why? :wtf:
     
  17. TheGodBen

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    The Coming of Shadows (*****)

    Yes, this will do nicely. Frankly, all the foreshadowing stuff at the start of the season put me off the Shadows a little bit, but here they were utilised well because they stayed in the background and allowed the episode to focus on Narn and Centauri politics. But what put this episode over the top for me wasn't that it was an event episode, but that it was an event episode that focused on the characters of Londo and G'Kar. These two have the most interesting relationship in the show but too often it feels like it is being handled wrong. Not in this episode though, this episode got it right.

    Londo is an interesting one. He seems to know that what he is doing is wrong and may lead to the death of everyone, but he doesn't seem to be able to stop himself. But does he really feel bad about what he is doing or is he just worried about his vision of the future where G'Kar kills him? I don't know. It's a tragedy that his character is so often used for comic relief, he's much better when treated seriously. The same is especially true of G'Kar, his anger in this episode may have seemed a little over the top, but given the circumstances I can buy it.

    Another thing I liked about this episode was the inclusion of a message from Sinclair, that was a bit of a shock for me. And I must say that he looked noticeably older from the last time I saw him, which is interesting given the way his future self looked in Babylon Squared. I never really accepted him as a character, but as a plot device he is reasonably effective.

    Towards the end of the episode I feared that the status quo would be maintained and that the Narn would accept the Centauri retaking Quadrant 14, so I was glad to see that that didn't happen and instead the Narn decided to go to war. I have the feeling after this episode that I should have had after Chrysalis: Everything is different now.

    Except the Scott Bakula joke, that is eternal.

    Scott Bakula: 25
     
  18. stonester1

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    At last, it is coming to you. That is one of the things that made Babylon 5 special.

    There is no status quo. Get used to that.

    :bolian:

    PS. Nice leg pulling with that first "review". But until I had read the second, the fake reaction to CoS had me thinking...dude, you ain't getting it. This show isn't for you and you probably should stop now.

    :D
     
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  19. RoJoHen

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    :lol:

    You know, at least you seem to get some enjoyment out of writing the views, even if you don't always like the episodes you're writing about.


    One thing I will say in response to your review: There really is no such thing as the status quo. From here on out, things change, and there are always consequences for everything that happens.
     
  20. Silvercrest

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    I figured it out when I read "primitive CGI from the mid-nineties or something." After that, I just sat back and waited for the real review to show up. :techman: