A Niner Watches Babylon 5 (NO spoilers, please)

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  1. stonester1

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    Oh, those dark cauldrons I have trod. When I feel their hellish, greasy flames lick at my feet, I run a little faster.

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  2. Neroon

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    Maybe then is when you need to watch the series - and fill us in on your views - the most.
     
  3. Canadave

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    Ha! I hear you on that one.

    *nervous laugh, looking at frighteningly blank post-April schedule*
     
  4. RoJoHen

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    I've been graduated for 2 years, and bartending at TGI Fridays is still the best thing I've been able to find. :lol:
     
  5. teacake

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    This is what I thought:

    Sheridan: "When I was 21.."

    Me, interrupting: "I SAW A GAZELLE BEING BORN.."

    Everyone falls off the couch laughing.. had to rewind the dvd to hear the speech.

    That about sums it up.
     
  6. DWF

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    Sheridan's speech was a good luck speech and given almost a decade before Archer's speech there's no connection between the two.
     
  7. Forbin

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    Would you like spoo with that?
     
  8. TheGodBen

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    What do I look like, a robot?

    Hmm, I suppose I could build a bartending robot, have it take your job and keep all the money for myself! :D Wait, the hydrogen fuel-cells would make it uneconomical. :( I guess I'll let you keep your job and I'll sit around all day reading spoiler tags.

    Luckily for me I have a thesis to keep me distracted! :)

    So I'll read the spoiler tags between May and the third week in August, then I'll panic and throw something together in two weeks. And if I fail then that only means I'll have something to occupy my time come September.

    Tee hee hee. Scott Bakula made a funny. :)


    The Geometry of Shadows (**)

    Technomages. Oh, goodie. :rolleyes:

    Sorry, but this is just one of those things I find too silly to take seriously. I realise that they don't really do magic and that everything they do is based on science, but if the future is going to have bands of people like this roving the galaxy then I'm going to chop my nuts off just to ensure that none of my descendants have to meet them.

    Only joking, ladies. You can keep that hope alive. ;)

    The one moment I did like about this plot was the final scene between Elric and Londo. So Londo is this show's Gul Dukat, eh? I didn't see that one coming. I guess Kegg is right, nobody on this show is as they first seem.

    As for the b-plot, I loved the simplicity of the greens and purples killing one another for such a silly reason. Well, it's silly to me, I'm sure it makes sense to them. The ending was a bit too easy, and while I admired the fact that Garibaldi was questioning his competence as security chief, I can't say I was thrilled by the way it was resolved. It was a little too TV-like, which isn't what I expect from a... television show. :alienblush:

    I'm feeling very tired today, does it show?

    Oh bugger, I nearly forgot Scott Bakula!

    Scott Bakula: 20
     
  9. Lindley

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    The Techno-mages aren't seen much in B5 (since they're going into hiding, that's not surprising). They have a somewhat more visible profile in the short-lived spin-off.

    It wasn't until I read the novels, specifics the Passing of the Techno-Mages trilogy, that I really came to appreciate their potential as characters. Basically, these guys are the Jedi of B5.
     
  10. Deranged Nasat

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    I love the Drazi. I've always considered them the heart of Babylon Five.

    Why are you so opposed to each other? Why are you fighting? Can't you see you're actually no different in any meaningful way?!

    Narns and Centauri
    Minbari and humans
    Mundanes and telepaths
    Earth and Mars
    Vorlons and Shadows
    Religious Caste and Warrior Caste
    Green and Purple.:)

    One of those on this list is different, because they actually know the two sides are really essentially alike. The Drazi are quite wise really. No, honestly. They actually openly admit the two sides have no real differences, and that the reasons for hating are artificial because they're making artificial differences.

    They've taken the opposing forces of order and chaos and made them work together- chaos is order for them, order is chaos. Their unified government stems from a division and a conflict. They are united as a people by the division.

    They're a wise race in their way (I'd say in some ways wiser than humans, Narn, Centauri and Minbari), but everyone underestimates them because they speak in macros and like brawling.

    No-one here is exactly as they appear...;)
     
  11. Canadave

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    I was so disappointed by "The Geometry of Shadows" because it had a title that made it sound like there would be Important Happenings, but alas, it was not to be.
     
  12. Kegg

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    To a certain extent I think JMS wants basically to put fantasy tropes into his sci-fi show. In essence, he wants wizards, so he inserts 'techno' to the start of mages so he can have his elder prophetic people making grand sweeping statements. They're really of a part and parcel with his Holy Grail searcher from the first season in terms of tone; and it's a consistent idea that will continue to emerge.

    That said, I thought Michael Ansara really sold the role. But then, damn, I just love that guy's voice. And who doesn't?
    This is also by far the best use of the Technomages. Galen is a completely insufferable character who can frequently be as bad as Byron.
    Yeah, this is one of the comic plots from B5 I absolutely love. I do feel the series is hit and miss on the subject (even when limited to the field of 'aliens do weird things') but the Green/Purple scenario is one of the funniest things in the series run.
     
  13. Lindley

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    Disagree on that spoiler tag claim. I liked the guy.
     
  14. Kegg

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    I don't hate him (just generally dislike him), but don't you want to punch him just once? He has that sort of attitude.
     
  15. Jan

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    A bit of trivia regarding "Geometry of Shadows"...originally Ivanova was supposed to get herself out of trouble but she really did break her foot just before shooting was to begin which required a quick re-write.

    Jan
     
  16. sidious618

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    No, never; he was awesome.
     
  17. chrisspringob

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    Again, this is an artifact of knowing spoilers about the show before watching it. To a newbie who's never read any spoilers, at this point in the series, there's no reason to think the word "shadow" is of any significance.
     
  18. RoJoHen

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    Even if you don't know anything about The Shadows, the title of that episode does make it seem like it would be kind of awesome.

    It's one thing that early B5 did that bothered me. Some of the lamer episodes have really intriguing titles.
     
  19. Brian

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    Agreed. That's one thing which has bothered me about these reviews. Paraphrasing, we see a lot of "... which was supposed to be some big surprise, but I know what's coming, so it really fell flat..."

    You can't blame the show for your spoiler knowledge.
     
  20. Brian

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    The title didn't tell me it was supposed to be awesome. It just told me that the creators of the show are literary and have a bent for language.

    It said nothing to me about "the" Shadows, nor did it make me expect to see them featured. I took it to be about the technomages. How they use technology (geometry) to create "magic" (shadows).