A Niner Watches Babylon 5 (NO spoilers, please)

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  1. David cgc

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    I wondered that, too. I mean, there are only so many Montoyas mentioned in Babylon 5 (not like how every third character is named "David"), but one's an Elizabeth and the other's a Maria, so that's probably not the case.
     
  2. Skywalker

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    Random note, but for anyone out there who has Netflix but doesn't own Babylon 5 on DVD (like me), Netflix now has all five seasons available on their Instant Streaming service. :techman:
     
  3. Admiral Shran

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    Any idea where I might get a copy of Crusade and the moives?
     
  4. TheGodBen

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    Darkness Ascending (***½)

    Rather than discussing things rationally to decide the best course of action, Delenn and Sheridan go behind one another's backs and then have a rational conversation. Wait, what? :confused: Never mind, by this point they've already screwed up because Lennier has decided he doesn't want to be a pawn in their marriage and he runs away to join the circus. On the way to the circus, he hitch-hikes on a Centauri cruiser and ends up witnessing an atrocity. He records it thinking he can get 500 credits by selling it to "The Galaxy's Funniest Home Movies", but it turns out that what he has recorded is important evidence that indicates that the Centauri are bullies. Now the galaxy is on the brink of war, and Lennier doesn't get his money. :(

    Meanwhile, Lyta attempts to whore herself out to G'Kar in order to get some sweet, sweet crack. And by crack I mean large transport vessels that she plans to use to find a homeworld for telepaths. G'Kar agrees, but he passes up the sex offering because he's a religious leader now and he fears being embroiled in a scandal.

    Things get worse for Garibaldi as Lise shows up and she confronts him about his drinking. He agrees to give up alcohol while she is on the station but an annoying maître d' that has no understanding of tact pushes him over the edge. Good on you, Garibaldi! If I may be serious for a moment, this was the most interesting part of the episode for me, and I'm intrigued as to where Garibaldi is heading. There's not many episodes of the series left so is there a chance for a last-minute redemption, or is Garibaldi doomed to ruin his life once again?
     
  5. Jan

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    ...is insane. --JMS
    That's one of the great things about this series - that you can honestly wonder about the fate of a main character.

    BTW, I'm glad you made it back, too, TGB.

    Ja
     
  6. Hound of UIster

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    There is a very similar scene in JMS's Spider-Man comic. I guess the man has a grudge against food service staff.
     
  7. Totally on Garibaldi's side in this episode by the way. That waiter was a complete git. I would have cheered if Garibaldi had just decked him.
     
  8. Vestboy

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    I know JMS doesn't drink (though I don't know if he's AA or just, you know, doesn't drink), but it is something he has a certain sensitivity to, and I guess he sees waiters as pushers who insist if you aren't having alcohol, you're doing something wrong. (Though if you are having coffee with dinner... you kind of are...)
     
  9. Kegg

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    :wtf:

    I don't see what's wrong with having coffee with dinner (tea man, m'self) and honestly I've never gone to a restaurant where it's expected that I order wine (but my idea of a 'restaurant' includes McDonalds, what do I know?).

    The idea that'd occur in the present day, let alone the future, did strike me as a little preposterous at the time. If it is done it makes the scene more explicable but not really the motivation.
     
  10. JoeD80

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    The scene with the waiter is something that actually happened to Joe at a restaurant in Los Angeles once when he tried to order coffee.
     
  11. Jan

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    Just doesn't drink. He's said several times that there's alcoholism going back generations in his family so he doesn't touch the stuff.

    Jan
     
  12. Vestboy

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    It's not done, at least no place I've ever been. I'm infrequent with wine drinking, but I've never had the slightest questioning on ordering, say, water, iced tea or club soda. I'm enough of a food snob to raise an eyebrow at getting coffee with dinner (as opposed to with desert), but I've never seen a waiter who would actually argue to the point with you.
     
  13. Reverend

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    ^I have. Certain classes of restaurant tend to treat all but the most high paying customer as uncultured idiots who don't know how to use the cutlery...which isn't entierly inaccurate.

    Remember, on B5 'Fresh Air' isn't just a "nice" restaurant or even just a "very good" one. It's a five star gourmet restaurant specialising in the finest cuisine from dozens of worlds. Plus the owner is supposed to be the reincarnation of Basil Fawlty. ;)
     
  14. Sean_McCormick

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    They seem to be the only restaurant on the station, so they need to serve a greater range of customers than a regular top restaurant. We see them deliver pizza to the doorstep, which seems uncommon for such an restaurant.

    So i do not see such an "elite" way of treating customers work in that environment.
     
  15. Admiral Shran

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    If I were in Garibaldi's position and a waiter treated me like that, I'd just say....

    "Well, Fresh Air isn't getting any more of my business. From now on I'm only patronizing Quark's Bar, Grill, Gaming House, and Holosuite Arcade."

    After all.... Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun, come right now, don't walk - run.
     
  16. hyzmarca

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    Or, order the most expensive wine there, but not drink it and not pay for it. Instead, say "[Waiter's name] said that the wine was on the house" and leave.

    It's not like he could get into any trouble for it, given his position within the ISA. And it's not like Zack would be willing to pull a Roger Murtaugh over a little dine and dash.
     
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    Hey, it's a big enough pain in the butt to chage tables, much less universes!
     
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  19. Reverend

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    The 'Dining on Babylon 5' book actually mentions that the owner was (in 2260) considering putting pizza on the menu based on Garibaldi's insistence. Either way, the place isn't as high class as it likes to think it is, but on a way station like B5 it's not like there's so much competition at that end of the marker so it's not that surprising they're putting on airs.

    As for other restaurants; 'Fresh Air' is the only 5 star, but I imagine there are a bunch of others from bars in brown sector that serve "food" to places like Earharts, the casino, the Eclipse Cafe, Zocalo Pizza, McBari's...others. I'm not sure where Ivanova took her old Rabbi but it was defiantly a restaurant but I don't think it was Fresh Air. Could be wrong.
     
  20. TheGodBen

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    Thanks, glad to be back. :)

    Scandalous! :eek: It's just not done in polite society!

    Based on a real guy? :wtf: Wow. At least LA is famous for being an addict-free zone, so he's not doing any harm.

    I used to be like that. There's a history of alcohol problems on both sides of my family so I refused to drink as a teenager while my friends used to get beer somehow and drink it in fields. It certainly hampered my social life once I went to college. When I was 19 I finally decided to try beer, and I realised that I didn't like it. Not liking it made me feel safe, so I allowed myself to drink from then on.

    The thing that interests me about Garibaldi's alcoholism is that I don't understand it, I don't understand his craving. I only craved alcohol once in my life and on that occasion I didn't drink because I had an exam the following morning. Even then I craved only 1 drink in order to relax, not 10 in order to get drunk. I just don't get it, I hope I never do.

    But it sure does make interesting television! :D


    And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder (****)

    Lennier screws everything up by revealing the truth. Damn you, Lennier! :klingon: Why can't you be a good guy that tries not to stir up trouble, like the honourable Mr Garibaldi. Sure, Garibaldi may have screwed up by not informing the White Star fleet like he should have, but he has a good excuse: he was drunk. What's your excuse, Lennier? You don't drink, so you screwed up the galaxy while completely sober! I'm very disappointed in you, Lennier.

    I enjoyed most of this episode, particularly the first half where it feels like a courtroom drama where an empire is the accused. Seeing Londo react to the evidence was a treat because he knows it's probably true, but he's still shocked by it and continues to put forth the version of events his government wishes him to. G'Kar choosing to return to Centauri Prime with Londo leads to an interesting scene where he says goodbye to Delenn. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last time they see one another.

    Then comes Sheridan's breakdown. Jebus H Christ, he's displaying Archer levels of stupidity! :wtf: It's one thing to lose your temper in a stressful situation, it's another thing to lose your temper and start a devastating war. Even George W Bush showed more restraints than this, I can see why historians will have such a poor opinion of Sheridan.