A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) Discussion & Grading

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  1. Cmndr J Crichton

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    I can't believe no one's started a thread! I'm somewhat interested in this movie. If only for Jackie Earl Haley. To me Robert Englund will always be Freddy Krueger. This remake I thought would never come. I would rather have seen a pseudo sequel to FVJ with Englund.

    Then again, I thought no one could ever recreate Spock like Quinto did. I might catch a matinee of this movie next week. I unfortunately work the whole weekend. I am revisiting the Nightmare movies to tide me over now, though.


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    Plot synopsis: A re-imagining of the horror icon Freddy Krueger, a serial-killer who wields a glove with four blades embedded in the fingers and kills people in their dreams, resulting in their real death in reality.
     
  2. startrekwatcher

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    YOu just can't go back. I can't think off the top of my head of a good remake that bested the original. They've all been disappointments for me--Friday the 13th, Halloween, Halloween II, Amityville Horror, The Karate Kid etc--and I don't think this remake can topple one of my all time favorite horror flicks. Hollywood needs to stop remaking stuff--all it does is remind me how piss poor entertainment is these days.
     
  3. Cmndr J Crichton

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    Scarface. The Incredible Hulk, (I know pulling at strings), Batman Begins, Casino Royale.
     
  4. Cmndr J Crichton

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    Crap! I've mis-spelled street! Must've hit the R instead of the T. Can it be fixed?
     
  5. Broccoli

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    I'm really not a horror fan, but I'd go and see this because it was filmed partially at my high school.

    Scarface you can argue. However, Incredible Hulk and Batman Begins are reboots/reinterpretations and not direct remakes of a previous film.

    Casino Royale kinda has its foot in both camps.
     
  6. Mike Farley

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    The Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, The Maltese Falcon, The Thing, The Fly, The Blob...remakes and sequels have ALWAYS been a big part of Hollywood. The only difference is that now, in the home video age, the original movies are readily available while in the past, if you missed it, you missed it.
     
  7. JacksonArcher

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    I saw the movie at an advance screening Wednesday night in downtown Chicago. My verdict? Samuel Bayer's A Nightmare on Elm Street is definitely not as good as Wes Craven's original, for a variety of different reasons (Warning: mild spoilers follow)...


    • Wes Craven's film worked primarily because he was working with a small budget, so everything had this grungy and gritty look. Those limited resources allowed him to bend the line for what was real, and what was dream. This worked because we almost never fully remember our dreams, which is why they've always been so tricky to depict on film. We usually only remember fragments, and the great appeal of Craven's original film is that you were never sure when you were in the real world or in Freddy's world. The remake doesn't blur that line nearly as well, and because of Bayer's background as a music video director, he gives the dream sequences a heightened visual style, so it was obvious from the getgo that we're in Freddy's world and we lose a lot of that suspense.
    • One of the other big reasons why Craven's original film was so good was because it was ambiguous about Freddy Krueger's sketchy past. He was defined as a "child killer", and molestation was never strongly hinted at, but merely alluded. By making him simply a child killer, it made Krueger that much scarier, and in the original film he's played as a very sinister guy, whereas in the later sequels he becomes a one-line joke, a wise-ass that completely loses the sinister edge that he had that worked so well in the original. Jackie Earl Haley returns to that, resembling the Freddy from the first film the most, but he still has some one-liners even though they are more darkly sardonic than outright witty or sarcastic. Furthermore, his past is given much more attention, and while it very smartly toys with the idea that maybe he was innocent, it never really commits to that idea, and it brings the molestation angle into much greater focus, forcing Freddy to become less the embodiment of evil and revenge, but more a confused figure that we don't understand.
    • This has been my main criticism with all of the recent horror remakes is that they are soulless copies of what came before, and A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) is no different. It's far more polished than Craven's original, with a much bigger budget and the advantage of better digital effects, but as a consequence it loses a lot of the grit and realism that worked so well for Craven's original. The characters are merely tertiary stand-ins with no personality or real purpose, the visuals are flashy but empty, and at the end of the day there's nothing really remarkable about what you're seeing. A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) feels like a cheap cash-in, which is all the more frustrating because it isn't outright bad, and it may have been easier to hate had it been, but it's just passably mediocre and ultimately forgettable.
    However, there are some things that do work. Nancy, our heroine, is given a meaty subplot and character arc that directly ties into Freddy Krueger's past. It isn't developed much, but there is an emotional resonance and while the actress playing Nancy isn't the world's best, the role doesn't really require magnificent acting, but there's enough on the screen and in the script to really pull you in and root for this character. It was one of the bright spots about the recent Friday the 13th remake, where you have actual characters that are likable and you can root for. It does sort of conflict with those original films, where the teenagers were disposable because you were rooting for Jason or Freddy or Michael Myers to kill them, but I do like the fact that we're given some decent characters that have some resemblance of a character arc that allows the audience to become (even somewhat) emotionally invested in the story.

    That said, A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) does take a much more serious and darker approach than what was taken with the Freddy the 13th remake, and I commend the filmmakers for at least trying. It is very visually appealing, even though that at times detracts from the film, and while Jackie Earl Haley's performance is strong, the Freddy character is uneven which is more to do with the mediocre writing than it does Haley's strong performance.

    It's a bit upsetting and defeatist to say that A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) is probably the best recent horror remake, but that's more of a backhanded compliment when you take into consideration what horror has had to offer recently when it comes down to remakes (or "re-imaginings") such as Rob Zombie's terrible Halloween films, the aforementioned Friday the 13th and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
     
  8. T'Baio

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    You know what's starting to really annoy me about the reviews for this film? Whether people think it's good or bad, I don't care. But there are a lot of reviewers out there mocking the concept of micro naps, derisively calling it pseudo this or that, or saying it's an awfully convenient plot device.

    All these people are making themselves look really stupid.

    Micro naps/sleeps are a real thing! I give the writers credit for doing their research.

    So many reviewers...so many morons.
     
  9. Cmndr J Crichton

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    However, how was JEH as Freddy? Did he surpass, equal, or lower Englund's Iconic portrayal?
     
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    This Freddie is someone you could have a conversation with if he didn't kill you.
    Now I like Robert's take of course. I always thought it would be nice to have Jason vs Michael Myers, since the Freddie vs Jason film had Freddie doing all the speaking.

    On the comic side, I would love to see a story of famous villains in hell.

    I think a Freddie vs Pinhead match would be interesting, with Robert's Freddie being a Hawkeye Pierce character to Pinhead's Charles Emerson Winchester (MASH).

    Jason and others would simply be doormen in Hell, with Freddy and others being manservants for Angus Scrimm and others at the head of the table. Boris and Bela of course talk about old times.

    Vincent Price is the Master of Ceremonies of course--and in my minds eye, does most of the speaking.

    There Dexter is brought before them after his death to see what punishment is meeted out. They discuss his crimes, his methods, and other such matters. There is a B story where certain souls go missing in Hell. This is whispered about as even the masters of terror show concern. Barlow's visions flit about in Tintinnabulum.

    A rioting band of racists is killed due to a freak accident. The famous Monsters of the movies (Forest J Ackerman in the background) are so horrified by the actions of these fools that even they are sickened, and so they are fed directly to Satan, whose three faces now gnaw at Stalin, Mao, and Hitler--who being flayed at the center mouth, Judas having been downed in the Sarlacc pitt as it were long ago...

    But something else disturbs the Masque, as the Man in the Pallid Mask returns from Bethmoora, represented by a Tatterdemalion figure with skin tight fabric drwn taut over a skull with no skin--lit from within--and of course, wearing a top hat. The demasking begins as Charon spills his bag over the pit as waves lap the shore, waters receeding in fear of what the moon brings.

    Satan, the great evil one himself, is torn asunder by something far below. You see the humanoid legends scatter, as the shadow of Cthulhu and his brother rise to take over hell.


    Along the shore the cloud waves break,
    The twin suns sink behind the lake, The shadows lengthen In Carcosa. Strange is the night where black stars rise, And strange moons circle through the skies, But stranger still is Lost Carcosa. Songs that the Hyades shall sing, Where flap the tatters of the King, Must die unheard in Dim Carcosa. Song of my soul, my voice is dead, Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed Shall dry and die in ...Lost Carcosa. —"Cassilda's Song" in The King in Yellow Act 1, Scene 2
     
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  11. nx1701g

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    That was the original proposed ending to Freddy Vs. Jason. Jason and Freddy would wake up in Leviathan's Hell and Freddy would go to stab Jason. Right before he'd connect a chain would pull his hand back and Pinhead would be standing there telling the two they had eternity to play or something to that effect.
     
  12. Silvercrest

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    I believe the line was going to be, "Gentlemen, what seems to be the problem here?"
     
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    ^ Ah I think that you're right. I'm probably thinking about another line the character had in one of his films.

    Wonder what his lines will be like in the remake of Hellraiser (yes they have one in development).
     
  14. Cmndr J Crichton

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    That would;ve been awesome! Only thing cooler would've been Ash stepping out of the shadows. He could say something like 'Which one of you freaks knows the way out of here?'


    (Whoever fixed the thread title, thanks!')
     
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    ^ Damn all of those things sound really cool...especially the Ash suggested.
     
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    Wes Craven also included micro-naps in the original though he never referred to them as such. But read the script and it says in the stage directions that a character is having a mico nap.
     
  17. Ethros

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    I enjoy horror films but I've actually never seen any of the original Nightmare on Elm Street movies.
    My main knowledge of them comes from that Simpsons Halloween parody episode :)

    I'll probably go see it anyways when it comes out in Blighty (not till May 7th)
     
  18. Garm Bel Iblis

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    :guffaw:

    Wife and I went to this yesterday and she asked me before it started, knowing i hadn't seenthe originals, ifi knew the concept?

    "Yep, groundskeeper willie was burned to a crisp and vowed vegeance on the children through their dreams."
     
  19. RedShirt

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    I'm surprised this movie isn't getting more buzz here (either good or bad)... I remember some pretty full threads when the remakes of Halloween and Friday the 13th came out.

    Punky and I saw it late Saturday night and as children of the 80s and fans of the original movie we were both mightily impressed. Jackie Earl Haley nailed the part, and the whole package of acting/writing/directing/etc. went the distance in making Freddy scary again (instead of the parody of himself that the character had become in the original series). I liked the blurry and sometimes disorienting cinematography during the dream sequences and found myself commenting more than once that the backgrounds in my dreamscapes are similarly vague.

    My only "issue" was with the prominence of the boiler room in the forced nightmares... in the original Freddy lived in a school boiler room so that was as much a part of his "world" as the dreamscape, but this time I think the only real link to it was was it was just where Freddy died. I suppose they were going for poetic justice of some sort with Freddy dragging his victims there but it seemed a little like the setting was just shoehorned in there just because it was part of the original mythos. Wasn't a real biggie to me, though.

    The only thing I really wish they had done was to deepen Haley's voice in post production (as post-burn Freddy) like used to be done with Englund's.

    A damn good film that kept us on the edge of our seats throughout and left us entertained. We can't wait to own this on DVD. :techman:
     
  20. Cmndr J Crichton

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    I don't think they did that till ANOES2. I seem to remember Freddy sounding pretty human in the original.