a box of rotting garbage, "standalone episode sh*t" and more trivia

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  1. King Daniel Beyond

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    THIS is a fascinating summary of everything we learn on Enterprise's season 2 bluray extras. I'm happy with my DVDs, so this is the first I've heard of a lot of this.

     
  2. Isolinear

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    Thanks King Daniel. Reading now. So many interesting tidbits. Looks like the fans were not the only ones who thought the first two seasons were a pile of poo.
     
  3. Richard Baker

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    This is what happens when instead of one man with vision you have a room full of people all shouting their own agendas.
    I liked the show but it could have been so much more.
     
  4. Isolinear

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    Man that episode was bad. Basically an "Elaan of Troyius"/"The Perfect Mate" ripoff with a very bad 'actress'. She was literally reading her lines out loud.

    OH...MY....GOD!!!

    Oh, how I would like to have been a fly on the wall.

    Strange. Wasn't there an interview with Braga years ago in which he states that the first two seasons were what he and Berman intended with the show...?

    Didn't know that! Obviously didn't help. Season 2 was worse than season 1.

    So, how did "The Siege of AR-558" slip through?
     
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  5. bullethead

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    I heard it was because they reduced it to one leg being blown off instead of two.
     
  6. dub

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    But looking at the list, Braga only wrote/co-wrote 5 episodes in season 3, and only 1 in season 4 (the "valentine"). Compare that to seasons 1 & 2 in which he wrote/co-wrote most of the episodes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes
     
  7. Dukhat

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    Exactly. While I do believe that Berman was worn out creatively, and Braga should never have been made an executive producer, the blame for what happened rested far more on UPN's shoulders than B&B's.

    It's funny that fans tend to place all the blame on B&B, and yet nobody seems to blame Dawn Ostroff. I'd bet many people don't even know who Dawn Ostroff is, but she was far more detrimental to ENT than B&B ever was.
     
  8. Praetor

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    I well remember the very vocal outcry against the Killer Beebs years ago - in fact, I was one of the ones outcrying. In hindsight, I regret that. You can tell that Braga at least, and probably Berman too, were trying to make good television and beyond that trying to make good Star Trek, but were fighting an uphill battle against network execs and franchise fatigue.
     
  9. Bad Thoughts

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    Berman didn't bother much with DS9 by the late seasons, and according to rumor, Behr was usually successful rebuffing his interference.
     
  10. Isolinear

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    I remember reading the forums back then, during the last year(s) of Enterprise. It was madness!!! B&B hate in every single thread. Many, MANY people actually hoping Enterprise would get cancelled. Well, they got what they wished for. Sad.
     
  11. Yanks

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    Not sure if purchasing the Blu-ray version of Enterprise is worth it just to get the extras.

    For those of you that have them, is the picture quality a marked improvement?
     
  12. R. Star

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    Re: a box of rotting garbage, "standalone episode sh*t" and more trivi

    What a charming thread title.
     
  13. teacake

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    Say what? I'm remembering some fine bloody stripes on Kirk.

    Maybe this is why Archer had to make up for such malarkey by getting beat up a lot?


    That's nice. Was he still going to kill of Trip even without smarm-face there to see it?


    What about Hayes?! That hurt, that was a kick in the gut.

    NO THANK YOU STILL TRAUMATIZED FROM TMP
     
  14. dub

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    Some people say swarm-face is tasty.

    [​IMG]

    ...And some people say Beverly sucks. But I digress.
     
  15. teacake

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    What is this about? Why does Gene envision a future where bombs don't totally maim you?
     
  16. SpHeRe31459

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    Remember this is TNG-era Gene Roddenberry, not TOS Gene. TNG Gene's outlook changed quite a lot. Berman was always trying to stop and think about WWGD (What Would Gene Do) in the way he ran the franchise. He says so on one of the TNG Blu-ray documentaries and on Rod Rodenberry's doc TrekNation.

    He had a bust of Gene in his office and he'd blindfold it as a symbol when he would give in and approve something he didn't think Gene would like.

    http://weminoredinfilm.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/roddenberry-blindfold.jpg

    I bet that blindfold was on a lot for Ira Steven Behr's meetings :)
     
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  17. teacake

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    Oh wow, did not know that. Thanks for that hilarious pic, NEEDS CAPTION! LOL.

    So did Picard never bleed?
     
  18. SpHeRe31459

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    Not that I can recall.
     
  19. dub

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    Yes he did. And apparently it hurt so good:

    [​IMG]
     
  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    ^Ah, but he was technically a mere cadet back then. Cadets bleed real good - just ask Peter Preston.:p
     

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