7X12 Nightmare in Silver(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, May 11, 2013.


Grade "Nightmare in Silver"

Poll closed Jun 20, 2013.
  1. Excellent!

    21 vote(s)
  2. Great

    46 vote(s)
  3. Average

    36 vote(s)
  4. DELETE!

    6 vote(s)
  5. "Iron Man 3" was better"

    3 vote(s)
  1. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    QC, IL, USA

    I don't know what to tell you. I don't care if villains turn into allies if it's done in an entertaining way. I think the Sontarans are ridiculous enemies anyway; they look like potatoes.

    As individual characters, I find Vastra, Jenny, and Strax fun to watch. That's all I require.
    Last edited: May 14, 2013
  2. Kestrel

    Kestrel Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 9, 2009
    Eden Prime
  3. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001
    Silurians never really were villains, so there's nothing wrong with the Doctor befriending one. As for Strax, so what? One Sontaran is friend with the Doctor. People are allowed to be individuals, even in a race of cloned alien soldiers. I'm sure the rest of the Sontarans will gladly try to defeat the Doctor and chant "Sontar-Ha!" when next they meet.

    Actually, a storyline I want to see is Strax having a reunion with the Sontarans, but ends up betraying them in defense of Vastra and Jenny. Cliched as fuck, but it would certainly be awesome.
  4. Kitty Worrier

    Kitty Worrier Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 13, 2002
  5. Slugboy

    Slugboy Commodore Commodore

    Oct 4, 2004
    Dominion space
    If it weren't for the necessity of the "Cyber" prefix, I would have called them "silverfish". They look and move almost exactly like real-life silverfish (I imagine that was their inspiration) and it has the "silver" adjective that is associated with the Cybermen in episode titles.
  6. Slugboy

    Slugboy Commodore Commodore

    Oct 4, 2004
    Dominion space
    Perhaps. After all, the CyberPlanner did threaten to "strip [her] down" for spare parts. :p
  7. Klaus

    Klaus Vice Admiral Admiral

    Sep 14, 2003
    Beach condo, Bay of Eldamar
    I think it's quite probable that the secret of Clara's nature will have something to do with why he is so attracted to her, beyond just the mystery.

    Nice to hear an ansible reference...
  8. JoeZhang

    JoeZhang Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 9, 2008
    Are you hinting that that they might be lesbians? You seem to mention it in every post when it's not actually relevant to the discussion at hand.

    As for for the idea that the Sontarans being only bad guys - bit of an odd claim considering that they are the good guys in their second appearance!
  9. Gov Karnstein

    Gov Karnstein Admiral Admiral

    Mar 23, 2004
    Gov Kodos on Mohammed's Radio, WZVN Boston
    This show needs more Rutan lesbians.
  10. JoeZhang

    JoeZhang Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 9, 2008
  11. Lt. Uhura-Brown

    Lt. Uhura-Brown Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 14, 2013
    New Zealand
    Being a Neil Gaiman script, I expected it to be great, but it was merely good.

    I can only conclude that it wasn't up to the standard I've come to expect from Mr. Gaiman due to executive meddling, or some such.
  12. JoeZhang

    JoeZhang Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jan 9, 2008
    I saw a comment on another forum - that as originally written this script had Amy and Rory in it? Anyone know anything about that?
  13. Judge Death

    Judge Death Admiral Admiral

    Apr 22, 2001
    Well that might be true, I know Gaiman says it's taken him ages to write (see it's not just Moffatt) and went through 4 or 5 drafts. I'd imagine it was unlikely given they seemed to know Karen and Arthur were leaving for some time, but you never know...
  14. Stevil2001

    Stevil2001 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 7, 2001
    On GB, there's a guy who says he helped Gaiman with his Doctor Who lore for both scripts, and the first draft had the Victorian Clara and her Victorian children in it, so it would seem to have come along later than that.
  15. teacock

    teacock Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    This really looks like a TOS set! Lighting, angled walls, spacey future doorway, eccentric collection of relics..

  16. Mr. Adventure

    Mr. Adventure Admiral Admiral

    Jun 9, 2001
    Mr. Adventure
    I saw that and assuming the guy is reliable it seems they would've been Victorian and more integrated through the season. The change to the current modern version was known far enough ahead not to force his hand though. There was supposed to be more explanation for the kids' presence seeded in the episode but was cut for time, some tacked on to Crimson Horror as seen.

    Also, the Cyberman weren't to be stompy but that was added post-production as it was felt that it played as unfinished (like they forgot to add sound) rather than conveying the intent they were quiet.
  17. Anachronus

    Anachronus Commodore Commodore

    Jul 24, 2001
    New Orleans, La. - LGD if you must know.
    You've nailed it. I couldn't put my finger on what it was about that set that was veeery familiar but that is it.
  18. Ood Sigma

    Ood Sigma Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 20, 2009
    Ood Sigma
    My rankings:

    1. Asylum of the Daleks
    2. Bells of St. John
    3. The Crimson Horror
    4. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
    5. Hide
    6. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    7. Nightmare in Silver
    8. Angels Take Manhattan
    9. Rings of Akhaten
    10. The Power of Three
    11. The Snowmen
    12. A Town Called Mercy
    13. Cold War
  19. McDuff

    McDuff Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Nov 26, 2010
    I understand where you're coming from. There's also some people who've been watching Doctor Who since their childhood, so they feel a sense of ownership.

    Personally I didn't grew up on it and only watched a few classic episodes before 2005. I really started to get into Doctor who in 2005 with the new series.

    While Moffat wrote good episodes under RTD, I much prefer the RTD era. I felt the RTD episodes were less directed at a children audience than Moffat is. Moffat was a good writer under RTD but he seems to make a point to make his episodes directed to a young audience instead of a general audience (the child in us) like RTD was. He even said so himself.

    On the other hand, this episode was more enjoyable than the last few episodes. The 2 Doctor fighting each other in his head was pretty interesting. The Cybermen made me think of the Borg with their assimilation and the way they adapt. Resistance is futile! It's strange that they don't use their fast moving ability more often.

    While I strongly miss the RTD era, I still enjoy watching Doctor Who. It's not great but very much watchable.
  20. Green Lantern

    Green Lantern Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jul 3, 2012
    The bed of whoever pays for the night.
    Ah, all of series 7. For the whole of S7, my ordering is as follows:

    1)The Angels Take Manhattan
    2)Cold War
    3)Asylum of the Daleks
    4)The Bells of Saint John
    5)Nightmare in Silver
    6)The Power of Three
    7)The Snowmen
    8)Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    9)Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
    10)The Crimson Horror
    12)A Town Called Mercy
    13)The Rings of Akhaten

    So yeah, I'd say we have a similar idea about S7.