7X12 Nightmare in Silver(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, May 11, 2013.

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Grade "Nightmare in Silver"

Poll closed Jun 20, 2013.
  1. Excellent!

    21 vote(s)
    18.8%
  2. Great

    46 vote(s)
    41.1%
  3. Average

    36 vote(s)
    32.1%
  4. DELETE!

    6 vote(s)
    5.4%
  5. "Iron Man 3" was better"

    3 vote(s)
    2.7%
  1. Starkers

    Starkers Admiral Admiral

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    I don't know. I know he felt a bit stiffed on The Doctor's Wife by them using the Ood rather than a new creature he'd dreamt up, but on the whole I'd imagine Gaiman would have much more latitude than many of the other writers. In the same way RTD never meddled much with Moffat and Cornell's scripts I can't imagine Moffat would tinker much with Gaiman, or give him a really strict brief.

    As for the kids, well maybe that was Moffat's idea, or maybe Gaiman wanted children then Moffat suggested Clara's kids?
     
  2. marillion

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    I'm really starting to feel like the decision to not do any two parters is starting to bite them a little... This could have been a BIG story... Return of the proper Cybermen? Could have been told in epic fashion.. Instead it was clipped and quick and while the writing was great and the action was too, it just felt too rushed.. I didn't mind the kids, although the big sister was SERIOUSLY annoying. The kids simply worked as a plot device to get them to an amusement park. The TARDIS took them there WHEN they needed to be there, however...
     
  3. Photoman15

    Photoman15 Commodore Commodore

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    I don't know. I think using the Ood gave us a great throwaway line when the Doctor and Idris land in the TARDIS and the Doctor finds out where Nephew was standing and says, "another Ood I failed to save".
     
  4. Hartzilla2007

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    They've been back since The Pandorica Opens.
     
  5. Mr Awe

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    Good. Grading this one was tough. Good is probably a bit generous. One the one hand, there was stuff that I really loved. On the other, stuff I really didn't like. And, it was all mixed together.

    The stuff I liked. Mainly the upgraded Cybermen and the future history of the Cybermen. The upgrades were great, and it made you realize, this is how the Cybermen should've always been. Highly advanced cybernetic lifeforms aren't going to be the slow, bulky clunking things we've seen. The new "Cybermats" were great. Again, they should've always been like that.

    I also loved the future history. They're so dangerous that if you can't destroy one, you blow up the entire planet to be sure. And, that that strategy worked but ruined an entire galaxy.

    On the other hand, most of the other stuff didn't work. The kids in an amusepark, silly. The game of chess, didn't really make sense. Although, Matt Smith did a great job acting both sides of that. The siege in the silly castle, no thanks. And, for a siege, not much really happened. So much of it just didn't gel.

    A big weird ball of great stuff and not so great stuff mixed together.

    Mr Awe
     
  6. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

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    I thought it was fun. Nothing awesome, but this is one of the few episodes where I actually enjoyed Clara as a character.

    For a moment I was afraid that the Doctor was once again going to defeat the bad guy with humany wumany nonsense (as the Cyberplanner kept saying "emotion" and then twitching). I'm glad he actually just slapped himself in the face with the EMP. :lol:
     
  7. Mr Awe

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    I actually don't think it's that at all. CyberDoctor wondered why the Doctor thought about Clara so much. The obvious conclusion is that he was attracted to her, but that's incorrect. Or, at least not the main reason. It's because she's the impossible girl.

    I thought it was great that Clara knew that wasn't the Doctor because she knows he doesn't see her that way. Although, it was lame how the CyberDoctor was still able to destroy the detonator which she conveniently brought to him.

    Mr Awe
     
  8. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Cybermen are Cybermen are Cybermen. They're all "proper".
     
  9. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Do we know if all of them had it or just the one?
     
  10. Green Lantern

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    I agree with Cold War and Bells of St. John, why on earth does everyone like Crimson horror so much? Was appalling.
     
  11. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

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    Probably because most of us actually like Vastra, Jenny, and Strax.
     
  12. marillion

    marillion Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Well, I just mean a "proper" Cybermen focused story where they are truely menacing (as menacing as Cybermen can be, really)... The episode with the cybermen in the department store sort of counts, but still... In this one, they had some chutzpah!
     
  13. Green Lantern

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    Why? They're awful. Turning villains into allies never works. I think we've seen the lesbian Silurian in more stories than the others now which to me is a real middle finger, and that's almost the same with Strax. Silurian's do not belong in Victorian London being lesbians, they belong with other Silurians in some sort of situation. Also, enough with the silurians with human faces, I thought he original conception of the silurians was that they don't have human faces.

    And Sontarans. They are probably in the top five most iconic doctor who villains list, and one's an ally to the doctor? NO NO NO! Awful. And the lesbian chick's kinda plain.
     
  14. Emh

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    I completely agree. More often than not, my favorite episodes of the New Series have been the two-parters so I was very disappointed to read that Moffat decided to do away with them this season. The lack of two-parters has definitely hurt this season and I think stories like this one, "Cold War" (which, for me, is the best episode this season), and even "Journey to the Centre" of the TARDIS" would have been much better if they had more breathing room.

    Since everyone else is doing it...

    1. Asylum of the Daleks
    2. Cold War
    3. Angels Take Manhattan
    4. The Power of Three
    5. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    6. Bells of St. John
    7. A Town Called Mercy
    8. The Snowmen
    9. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
    10. Crimson Horror (except the last two minutes)
    11. Nightmare in Silver
    12. Hide (again, except the last two minutes)
    13. Rings of Akhaten

    Two notes:

    1. Unfortunately, there hasn't been a knockout episode all season, nothing on the level of "The Doctor's Wife," "The Girl Who Waited," or "The God Complex."

    2. Despite its low ranking, I actually like "Rings of Ahkaten" and I'm still surprised by the level of hate its gotten.

    Ultimately, there hasn't been a bad episode this season, but nothing outstanding either. It's been a rather disjointed season, both in pacing and quality.
     
  15. Starkers

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    :techman:

    Plus it was just so gosh darn fun!
     
  16. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Admiral Premium Member

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    We're ranking the season now? Sounds like fun. Is it the whole season or the 2013 part:

    Entire Season

    Asylum of the Daleks
    Cold War
    The Angels Take Manhatten
    A Town Called Mercy
    Nightmare in Silver
    The Crimson Horror
    The Bells of St. John
    Hide
    The Snowmen
    Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    The Power of 3
    The Rings of Akhaten
    Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

    2013 Only

    Cold War
    Nightmare in Silver
    The Crimson Horror
    The Bells of St. John
    Hide
    The Rings of Akhaten
    Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

    I'm a little surprised I ranked Nightmare in Silver so highly but this might have been the episode where Matt Smith showed his most range as an actor. It was really great to watch him work. JTTCOTT might have been the most disappointing episode of Doctor Who I've ever watched. Unless it wasn't a total reset (And my rankings might improve with this episode this weekend), this was the one episode where they could have tackled the "Impossible Girl" storyline head on and they chickened out.
     
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  17. Venardhi

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    Asylum of the Daleks
    Cold War
    Hide
    Nightmare in Silver
    The Angels Take Manhatten
    The Crimson Horror
    The Bells of St. John
    A Town Called Mercy
    Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
    The Power of 3
    The Rings of Akhaten

    I'd probably put it all somewhere around this order. I'm really surprised how low Hide is getting ranked around here.
     
  18. SeerSGB

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    Whole Season:

    * Asylum of the Daleks
    * Cold War
    * Journey to the Center of the TARDIS
    * Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
    * The Angels Take Manhatten (before someone asks why down the list and not #1: It was a great episode, but felt a bit over the top)
    * Hide & The Snowmen
    * The Bells of St. JohnA Town Called Mercy
    * The Crimson Horror
    * The Rings of Akhaten
    * The Power of 3
    * Nightmare in Silver
     
  19. Newspaper Taxi

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    1. Coldwar
    2.Nightmare in Silver
    3. The Bells of St. John/ Hide
    4. Journey to the Center of the TARDIS
    5.The Crimson Horror
    6. Rings of Akhaten

    I was surprised I couldn't really get into the Crimson Horror episode...I do like Madam Vasatra, Strax, and Jenny, but something about the episode turned me off.
     
  20. sttngfan1701d

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