7X11 The Crimson Horror(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, May 4, 2013.

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Grsde "The Crimson Horror"

Poll closed Jun 13, 2013.
  1. Geronimo!

    52 vote(s)
    43.7%
  2. Good

    40 vote(s)
    33.6%
  3. Average

    16 vote(s)
    13.4%
  4. Bad

    8 vote(s)
    6.7%
  5. …You just cannot see it

    3 vote(s)
    2.5%
  1. Bob The Skutter

    Bob The Skutter Complete Arse Cleft Premium Member

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    Other than acting like Yorkshire was the back of beyond and Matt's accent I didn't really notice any... maybe I just wasn't paying attention.
     
  2. Asbo Zaprudder

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    Clara's Yorkshire accent kept slipping into a Lancashire one, but that wasn't a problem. I suspect the bad teeth joke was inserted for the US audience.
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    It's much like how they were always slamming Cardiff or Wales in the RTD years and on Torchwood. I'm sure much of that was lost on the US audience as well.
     
  4. Alidar Jarok

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    Eh, it was pretty easy to pick up. We just figured out that Cardiff is an easily mockable place.
     
  5. Psion

    Psion Commodore Commodore

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    I'm sure a lot of it goes right over my head. But regional humor has a certain cadence where one person says something completely innocuous and the other responds with an apparent non sequitur. When I catch exchanges like that, I always start Googling.

    A recent example was "What's the opposite of bliss?" "Um ... Carlisle?" Google Earth showed me a town in northern England named Carlisle, so I got that someone was supposedly just insulted. What I don't get is why.

    Oh well, those crazy Brits! Folks in London and/or Cardiff don't like Carlisle for some reason. Let's file that away for future reference.
     
  6. Starkers

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    It's nothing in particular, Carlise is just perceived as a grim industrial northern town. You probably could have switched Carlisle for any number of other places (not all of them Northern) and the joke would still have worked. Slough, Scunthorpe, Milton Keynes etc.
     
  7. Csalem

    Csalem Commodore Commodore

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    Was really surprised by this episode. Had low hopes going into it as I did not think it would be a story that would appeal to me but then really loved it. Thought the blind daughter's acting was sublime. Only dud moment for me was the Doctor's 'ouch' when Diana Rigg fell off the stairs. Didn't think the Doctor would make a joke out of someone's death and felt out of character. But it was only a minor quibble.
     
  8. Asbo Zaprudder

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  9. Bob The Skutter

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    I'm surprised the punchline wasn't Hull.
     
  10. Starkers

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    Oh I'm sure it's a great place, a lot of places perceived as grim are actually quite wonderful, but as shorthand goes somewhere like Carlisle still evokes that grim oop North notion.
     
  11. Captaindemotion

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    Try Carlisle Circus in North Belfast, now that's bloody grim, I assure you!
     
  12. diankra

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    Try living in Goole. The place where you go to Hull or Doncaster to find a nightlife....
     
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  13. Bob The Skutter

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    I like Hull and East Yorkshire myself just used to Hull being the punchline to those sorts of jokes.
     
  14. RoJoHen

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    The longer he's around, the more Eleven seems to be getting a lot more comfortable with killing the bad guys. I'm not sure if that's intended to be "character development" or not, but it's something that I've noticed.
     
  15. Emh

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    I picked up the same thing but I never understood (and still don't) why Cardiff was hated on.
     
  16. Mark_Nguyen

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    I think it's pretty arbitrary, and no different than any other relatively close major cities. I'm in Calgary, and Calgarians hate Edmonton. New York rags on New Jersey ALL the time. EVERYONE hates Toronto. And so forth.

    RTD is Welsh and simply ratcheted up the rivalry / playful antagonism between Wales and England like anyone would, albeit blunt to the point of confusion to us non-Brits. Doctor Who seems to have exorcised it with his departure, but since it's still shot there, traces of it will forever remain.

    Mark
     
  17. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    ^ I'm near Chicago....everyone rags on New Jersey. Otherwise, good examples.
     
  18. Slugboy

    Slugboy Commodore Commodore

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    You're right, it is generally out of character, but I interpreted that as meaning that the Doctor was so unbelievably revolted by what Mrs. Gillyflower (Diana Rigg's character) had done, that he could not muster any sympathy at all. For the Doctor to just say "ouch" indicates the extent of his utter contempt.

    After all, Mrs. Gillyflower admits to blinding Ada (her own daughter) in experiments to immunize herself from the toxin. The fact that Ada only discovered this when she overheard Mrs. Gillyflower indicates that Ada was probably blinded when she was too young to remember (i.e. when she was a toddler, or even an infant). Even the compassionate Doctor would have a hard time sympathizing with someone who blinded her own baby girl.
     
  19. Konata Izumi

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    Last part sounds, intentionally or not, a bit vengeful, which I don't think was the case, but the indifference yes.

    The Doctor's always liked guns, pain and death.
     
  20. Klaus

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    ...and it's really pretty rare to see an actual non-manipulated thoroughly-evil human baddie in this show, so when one does come up the doc isn't all broken up about them.