7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, Apr 6, 2013.

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Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"

Poll closed May 7, 2013.
  1. Geronimo!

    15 vote(s)
    11.7%
  2. Good

    50 vote(s)
    39.1%
  3. Average

    36 vote(s)
    28.1%
  4. Bad

    18 vote(s)
    14.1%
  5. Terrible

    9 vote(s)
    7.0%
  1. Marsden

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    I liked the episode. It wasn't great but wasn't bad, and it was a little rushed.

    The celestial body that the monster possesed was a gas giant, not a star. The individual little planetoids were actually satellites, moons if you prefer. There was atmosphere between the moons, like a huge sky with islands floating in it. The closest analogy I've seen was the Flash Gordon movie in 1980, when all of the moons of Mongo and everything in between had air and clouds.

    And when the entity was defeated the planet was still there, just like it was before it popped out of the pyramid and flew to the planet. Gravity and atmosphere was not disrupted.

    How could anybody think they were flying that little scooter through outer space? There was wind!

    I like it! The GI and Clara might have some link between them.

    I also wonder if it somehow connects to The Dream Lord, they really never explained where he came from.

    Yes, there was pollen in the Tardis or some such explanation, but I think there could be more.


    Clara's impossiblility might be a theat to the Tardis somehow. River obviously was a threat to the Doctor, but they got along great. The Tardis didn't want any part of two Amys, so infinite Claras would probably be worse.
     
  2. Cutter John

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    I'm not buying the atmosphere argument. How is that even possible? I'm going with small forcefields around the bike and buildings to keep the air in.

    One thing I've not seen mentioned is what happens to all those small moons now that the gas gaint/alien has apparently vanished? Surely with the gravity well gone they're going to start drifting all over the place.
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    But also scarier. Be honest, Jackie is a lot more intimidating than Pete.
     
  4. Marsden

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    1. If you are watching Dr Who for "possible" please watch something more realistic, like Tom & Jerry.

    2. The planet was there before it left the pyramid, and was still there after it was beaten, left, what have you.
     
  5. Starkers

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    Exactly!!
     
  6. Gep Malakai

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    I loved this episode because it reminded me of classic Doctor Who, it had the same formula (though usually those got several episodes to solve the issue, this one had to do it quick).

    So for that classic Doctor Who feel, and formula, A+, this is what Doctor Who was, is and should be.

    OH, and he mentioned his granddaughter Susan, not by name, but he said he'd been there before with his granddaughter :D This brought a huge smile to my face, acknowledging that she existed, and now we know of one place they went to before Earth. Maybe one day he'll answer what actually happened to her after leaving her on Earth in the future with the Daleks.

    Also, glad we are back to the Doctor and the Companion just being friends, and not lovers, never did like the new plot in Doctor Who of the companions falling in love with The Doctor, or vise versa.

    And BTW, I loved the singing, the songs were great, and everyone did well, I'd buy that on a soundtrack.

    Only complaint, too much use of the sonic screwdriver, it is literally the deus ex machina.
     
  8. Mr. Adventure

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    Close but different headlights and grille, it's more apparent if they had taken the shot a couple of seconds later. Not to say it's not supposed to evoke or possibly even be the same vehicle.
     
  9. Elbonannod

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    I re-watched this with the subtitles on. After the Doctor offers his memories, he goes on his knees, and said something like "I can't feed you" (very quietly). I dont know if he realized it was not possible, or if he decided he did not want to do it.

    Then, Clara offered the leaf and the Doctor commented on how powerful the potential energy was. I don't know if that is going to come up again this season, but I immediately thought of the weeping angels.
     
  10. Slugboy

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    For me, it wasn't so much the fact that Merry had telekinesis, but rather why she would use it against Clara.

    After some thought, though, it makes more sense to me. Essentially, Merry believed that her failure had made Grandfather angry, and the only way to appease him was via her death. All of a sudden she has two strangers showing up trying to rescue her (and thus condemning her people to death, or so she thinks). One of them (the Doctor) is occupied holding a door open, while it looks like the other one (Clara) is about to grab her and take her away. So she uses her telekinesis to ensure Clara can't interfere with her sacrifice.

    Once the Doctor convinces Merry that she doesn't need to sacrifice herself to prevent her people from being killed, and that doing so would simply be a waste (his whole speech was solely for her benefit), she releases Clara from her bondage.

    Maybe I was just too thick to pick up on this the first time I watched it. But it is a relatively meaty part of an otherwise fluffy (in my opinion) episode. It's a pretty depressing image, though, a society where a little girl who believes she failed is willing to give her own life in recompense.
     
  11. Slugboy

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    I just found out an interesting detail about this episode. Everyone probably noticed that, at the very beginning of the episode, the Doctor is reading an issue of The Beano dated 1981 (no doubt to indicate the era for the viewer).

    However, a more subtle indication of the era is the song that is playing from the very beginning to when Ellie rescues her husband-to-be from getting hit by a car. It is Ghost Town, by the UK ska band The Specials, which was also released in 1981 (and was apparently a hit song). So there is both a visual and auditory clue as to the time period.

    I imagine older British viewers appreciated this reference more than younger viewers or foreign viewers (like me).
     
  12. Psion

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    Imagine how a-twitter we'd all be by now if they'd chosen an Ultravox song! We'd be sure that was a clue about Clara.
     
  13. Starkers

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    Obviously this is a clue that Clara is either A/ A ghost or B/ The regenerated Dennis the Menace
     
  14. MikeS

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    I wanted to like this as it seemed to be trying to say something very deep and meaningful about life and religion. Life - the Doctor's speech to Merry about atoms and starstuff. Religion - the Doctor says something to the vampire about "the beautiful things created on the back of your evil". However, as mentioned, the (beautiful) music needed quietening so that we could hear what the characters were saying and the story needed to be less rushed.

    I am not in the camp that feels every detail needs to be explained - they could breath on the motorbike; atmosphere/forcefield, it does not matter - that they can is enough. Clara is also not visibly hungry at any point - "but the writers didn't tell us what she had for breakfast! <mockshock>..." This is where alot of people fell down in their watching of Lost - not everything needs to/will be explained.

    I too was reminded of Father's Day during Clara's backstory. I'm sure it's due to nothing more than being set in the same era.