7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, Apr 6, 2013.

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Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"

Poll closed May 7, 2013.
  1. Geronimo!

    15 vote(s)
    11.7%
  2. Good

    50 vote(s)
    39.1%
  3. Average

    36 vote(s)
    28.1%
  4. Bad

    18 vote(s)
    14.1%
  5. Terrible

    9 vote(s)
    7.0%
  1. Worf2DS9

    Worf2DS9 Writer Rear Admiral

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    On 2nd viewing, what really bugs me is the lack of closure for Merry and the people on the asteroid, or whatever it was. Clara is successful with the leaf maneuver, then bam they're back in present day London, with the Doc mentioning that "all the people you saved" wanted Clara to have her ring back. Seems to me the usual "farewell scene" was missing, which would have had them saying goodbye to Merry, then the TARDIS would disappear in a swirl of dust, much to the delight of the little girl.
     
  2. Mr Awe

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    ^ Good points. I think giving the ring back was supposed to be shorthand storytelling to the effect that everything was resolved in a good manner. The rings were not disrupted by defeating Grandfather and they all lived happily ever after.

    Still, it did feel rushed. The whole ending was weak.

    Mr Awe
     
  3. Samurai8472

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  4. Klaus

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    I agree that several of the problems w/this ep are related to rushing... not even mentioning the atmosphere or gravity questions and the quick wrap-up, for example. It's like they had to cut it down for time.

    The question of the TARDIS not liking Clara is pretty obviously the most important thing going forward... I agree that it's not likely to be just a throwaway phrase. And River was never in the TARDIS while she was an active threat to the Doctor, only afterwards [and before, pre-natally]... but it's got to be more than just that she's a threat to him. Bad guys have gotten inside many times.

    The TARDIS has frequently allowed multiple versions of the same person from different points in their timelines to be inside together, beyond even just the multi-Doctor occasions, so it's more than the different incarnations of Clara.

    I still like my "Eternal Companion" idea. :D
     
  5. Samurai8472

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    Someone suggested that Clara's mom is an auton. The 9th doctor killed the nesstine consciousness on March 5 2005
    which is the day Clara's mom died
     
  6. Psion

    Psion Commodore Commodore

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    She did seem a bit heavy-handed with the makeup ....

    Naaaah.

    Although there were no details given on her mum's death ....

    Naaaaaah.
     
  7. Slugboy

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    I don't think anyone else mentioned this, but I thought the actress who was cast to play Merry did a good job. She managed to hit the "adorable" target without overdoing it and becoming annoying, and gave a believable performance as a little girl who served as a vessel for her culture's history (as implausible as that idea is)

    From a plot viewpoint, I can't figure out why Merry thought it was a good idea to pin Clara to the Mummy's display case using telekinesis (at least, that's what it looked like).

    Also, I wondered if the wristband that the male Chorister activated was a teleportation device or some sort of suicide device.
     
  8. Starkers

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    ^I'd agree she was good, I'd also agree that what went on in that chamber could have done with being clearer!
     
  9. The Mirrorball Man

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    Doctor Who has had quite a lot of very talented child actors since 2005. It's impressive.
     
  10. Starkers

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    Yeah and it helps that Matt Smith works so well with them, it's hard to imagine Eccleston or even Tennant having such rapport.
     
  11. Alidar Jarok

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    I assumed it was the Mummy that did that.
     
  12. Lonemagpie

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    Is it my imagination or is the car that nearly hit Clara's dad at the start the same car that greased Pete Tyler in Father's Day?
     
  13. Starkers

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    Hmm, didn't make the connection, but given they were both set in the 80s it might just be that it's a decent looking 1980's car the BBC use :)

    Or it could be something more sinister...
     
  14. The Wormhole

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    Someone is targeting the dads of the Doctor's companions!
     
  15. Lonemagpie

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    That's what I was thinking. I'd have to go look at Father's Day again to be sure, but can't be arsed.
     
  16. Slugboy

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    That's what I thought too, on first watching. It certainly would have made more sense, from a plot viewpoint.

    But when I rewatch it, as Clara extends her hand to Merry, the latter furrows her brow and puts her hands to her temples and Clara is pinned to the display case, while Merry glares at her. After the Doctor convinces her "everyone else will be fine" she glances back at Clara and Clara is released.
     
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  17. Psion

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    That's the way I saw it, too.

    Which, on reflection, makes a little bit of sense. You have a civilization of psychometrists who barter with memories impressed on objects, so you've established there's something psionic about them all. Then there's the odd bit with sound jumping from the asteroid city to the asteroid pyramid thousands of meters away. Even assuming there's an Integral Trees explanation for an atmosphere in that region of space, sound doesn't move that quickly. Yet the Doctor heard the singing pretty much as soon as it started. And the face reacted just as fast. So, in addition to psychometry, these people appear to communicate with their god/parasite planet telepathically.

    So telekinesis too? No problem.
     
  18. Starkers

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    Which seems a tactical error, their mums are far more dangerous!

    :lol: Fair enough, can't remember the last time I actually watched Father's Day?
     
  19. Photoman15

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    Hey, wasn't Clara's father the guy who ran down Pete Tyler? :)
     
  20. Sindatur

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    Only because Pete turned Clara's mom into a Cybus Auton. You'd run him down too, if he did that to your wife. ;)